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Old 12-17-2012, 05:04 PM  
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Another person linking Polian's to KC

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/2...t-comes-to-gms

Like Pro Football Weekly, now Jason La Canfora with CBS Sports is saying that the Polian's may be at the top of the Chiefs possible GM list. Polian's (Bill and Chris) are very hands on front office people and of course we know that is how Clark likes it to work (as he is very hands off).
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:23 AM   #151
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Dungy can't. And that was the original point.
Ehh that im not sure of. I know he could get more out of the players than Romeo (that's not saying much). One of these Qb's pans out sure why cant this team contend for a title?

With that said I'm not really interested in watching the Tampa 2 or the 4-3 defense ever again.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:26 AM   #152
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Shannahan won super bowls because of elway, coughlin because of manning, belicheck Brady. You can make that argument with any coach. BTW big Ben was shit in that super bowl game so to say they won it all because of him isn't exactly correct.

Yes I want to win a super bowl but you have to have a guy who can get you there. Cowher can.
The problem is that Dungy's teams always under performed.

Those Tampa teams were loaded defensively and had good skill players on offense but the offenses and QB's were not successful. What Dilfer accomplished in Baltimore should have happened in Tampa or at least should have been in Super Bowls.

In Indy, Dungy had Edgerrin James, Manning, Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison, but his teams struggled in the playoffs and were weak defensively, which is supposedly Dungy's area of expertise.

The reality is the he never "coached up" his teams or got them over the hump. His teams improved because of personnel improvements, not through scheme or coaching.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:26 AM   #153
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That's like a living contradiction.
Dungy is a smart coach I would think he would come up with something different on D
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:32 AM   #154
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The problem is that Dungy's teams always under performed.

Those Tampa teams were loaded defensively and had good skill players on offense but the offenses and QB's were not successful. What Dilfer accomplished in Baltimore should have happened in Tampa or at least should have been in Super Bowls.

In Indy, Dungy had Edgerrin James, Manning, Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison, but his teams struggled in the playoffs and were weak defensively, which is supposedly Dungy's area of expertise.

The reality is the he never "coached up" his teams or got them over the hump. His teams improved because of personnel improvements, not through scheme or coaching.
We'll get to see how much of that was Dungy and how much of that was Manning. Remember the huge knock on Manning was he could never win the big game.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:38 AM   #155
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Dungy won a Super Bowl because of Peyton Manning.

Cowher won a Super Bowl because of Ben Roethlisberger.

Marty won a Super Bowl...oh wait, nevermind.

DO WE WANT TO WIN REGULAR SEASON GAMES OR DO WE WANT TO WIN A GODDAMN ****ING SUPER BOWL?!?!?!?!?!
If Marty had either of those guys he'd have won multiple Super Bowls.

Except for one solid season from Joe Montana where they went to the AFC championship game, Marty has never had quarterbacks like Roethlisberger and Manning. Instead, Marty had guys like Kosar and DeBerg and Bono and Grbac and Phyllis Rivers.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:45 AM   #156
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I'm not real interested in hiring a guy, hoping that he "changes" from what he used to do. You bring a guy in because you like what he does and you want him to do that here.

The first is how you end up with Romeo or some bullshit. In my experience, guys in those positions don't tend to change.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:45 AM   #157
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food for thought:

“@CoachCox8100: @TonyDungy who should chiefs take with first or 2nd pick in the draft?” I would take Georgia QB Aaron Murray if he comes out
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:03 AM   #158
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And even then, Hillary was the front runner all the way until almost the end.

Believing that it CAN happen and believing that it WILL happen are two different things.

Possibility <> probability

I'm not interested in completely ignoring history.
You'd probably be better off ignoring history than misreading it and overreacting to it.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:07 AM   #159
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Seriously. I would take either of those guys in a landslide over Norv, and if I were a Chiefs fan, I'd be celebrating if they replaced Crennell with Dungy or Cowher.
Norv has never won a Super Bowl so he still has potential. Dungy and Cowher became all used up the minute they left their Super Bowl teams (although if they'd have hung on with those teams they would have continued to have potential and may well have eventually repeated because we have examples of coaches who win more than once with the same team).

Other coaches with more potential than Dungy or Cowher include Todd Haley, Herm Edwards, and Gunther Cunningham who are all still Super Bowl virgins.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:08 AM   #160
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You'd probably be better off ignoring history than misreading it and overreacting to it.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:29 AM   #161
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You'd probably be better off ignoring history than misreading it and overreacting to it.


I'm not misreading anything.

No coach that has won a Super Bowl with one team has won it again with a different team.

That's a fact. A cold, hard fact.

Get used to it.
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If Marty had either of those guys he'd have won multiple Super Bowls.

Except for one solid season from Joe Montana where they went to the AFC championship game, Marty has never had quarterbacks like Roethlisberger and Manning. Instead, Marty had guys like Kosar and DeBerg and Bono and Grbac and Phyllis Rivers.
And I suppose Marty wasn't at all responsible for that, was he?
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The problem is that Dungy's teams always under performed.

Those Tampa teams were loaded defensively and had good skill players on offense but the offenses and QB's were not successful. What Dilfer accomplished in Baltimore should have happened in Tampa or at least should have been in Super Bowls.

In Indy, Dungy had Edgerrin James, Manning, Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison, but his teams struggled in the playoffs and were weak defensively, which is supposedly Dungy's area of expertise.

The reality is the he never "coached up" his teams or got them over the hump. His teams improved because of personnel improvements, not through scheme or coaching.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:36 AM   #164
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You'd probably be better off ignoring history than misreading it and overreacting to it.
Also, you might want to read what I said again.

I said I'm not interested in COMPLETELY ignoring history.

That means that I'm not going to make my decision based SOLELY on that but I'm also not going to ignore that as a potential factor during the process.

It does matter.
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I'll 2nd that.
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