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Coogs · 08:16 PM

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QB Alex Smith tells NFL Total Access that Chiefs aren't running "cookie-cutter" offense and it isn't the same as what coach Andy Reid ran with Eagles and Packers. Catch the entire interview tonight at 7PM ET on NFL Total Access.

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-19-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

There really is no such thing as a "minor" concussion.

I'd say not losing consciousness may classify as mild/minor.

Hammock Parties · 07-19-2013, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader

It's a shame. Gochiefs actually has some raw talent and could be a very positive of member of this community. Sadly, instead of developing those talents he instead chooses to be lazy and continue on with his trolling shtick.

You're an idiot. I was a key member of SOC and put my talents to use.

The fact that I hate Alex Smith doesn't change that.

And I'm not trolling.

**penguinz** · 07-19-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

It doesn't matter why.

He misses games.

You can't win a SB with your QB missing a lot of games.

Shit, you'd probably miss the playoffs with our backup QB situation.

He missed 16 of them because the surgeon ****ed up the first time. Can't blame those on being injury prone.

**Ming the Merciless** · 07-19-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueFanDave

We should reminisce about your Cassel love.

sure, show me one quote where I said anything unreasonable regarding cassel.....

and I'll be waiting...

I've faced down girthier men than you, sally.

Come at me with a quote bro.

O.city · 07-19-2013, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueFanDave

I'd say not losing consciousness may classify as mild/minor.

Well, not really.

It's the after effects that are the concern and at this point, the NFL, IIRC, doesn't care about mild vs severe.

Look at Seau for instance. I dont' exactly remember if I'm remembering this right, but I don't think he was ever actually diagnosed with a concussion when it occured and I dont' think he ever lost consciousness.

planetdoc · 07-19-2013, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

IIRC, once you have neuro trauma (concussion) you're at more risk to have symptoms and even have symptoms again with less contact.

Previous concussion – According to prospective studies involving thousands of athletes, a history of concussion substantially increases the risk of recurrence and prolonged recovery from subsequent injury.

Patients with unresolved symptoms from a prior injury appear to be at greatest risk; recurrent injury is most likely to occur within the first 10 days after the initial injury.

citations:

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**BigMeatballDave** · 07-19-2013, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

sure, show me one quote where I said anything unreasonable regarding cassel.....

and I'll be waiting...

I've faced down girthier men than you, sally.

Come at me with a quote bro.

All of your posts in 2010. Love fest.

Raiderhater · 07-19-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

You're an idiot. I was a key member of SOC and put my talents to use.

The fact that I hate Alex Smith doesn't change that.

And I'm not trolling.

SOC is where you showed your talent the most. But instead of spring boarding from that experience you have gone back to being the gochiefs that everyone associates you as being.

You most certainly are trolling. If you simply brought up your concern about the concussions no one would argue with you. But then, that wouldn't be any fun for you. So you twist facts, ignore others and make it about Smith being injury prone in general versus concussion prone. Trolling.

O.city · 07-19-2013, 04:46 PM

Again, I'm no specialist in neuroscience or neuroanatomy and I'm going strictly off memory with no sources, so take it with a grain of salt.

Hammock Parties · 07-19-2013, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader

SOC is where you showed your talent the most. But instead of spring boarding from that experience you have gone back to being the gochiefs that everyone associates you as being.

What the hell do you expect me to do? It's the offseason. Sorry if I'm not farting rainbows enough for your tastes.

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You most certainly are trolling.

OK. This is a legit criticism of Alex based on this idea that he may now be running a read option offense. The fact you can't see that is laughable.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-19-2013, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

IIRC, a single concussion puts you are risk for a second one and the percentage is actually pretty high that another one will occur. Not only that, symptoms and effects of successive concussions are additive and are almost set on a multiplier scale.

Again, I'm just referring form memory, but once you have a single concussion, you are at a much higher risk to get a second concussion that will be more severe and can likely occur with less impact than the first.

You're correct.

planetdoc · 07-19-2013, 04:52 PM

In one prospective cohort study of 2905 college football players, 1 in 15 players with concussion had additional concussions in the same season, most occurring 7 to 10 days after the first concussion. With each concussion, the risk of future concussions increased. Individuals with three concussions had a three times greater risk of future concussions.

Cumulative effects associated with recurrent concussion in collegiate football players: the NCAA Concussion Study.
JAMA. 2003 Nov 19;290(19):2549-55.

Raiderhater · 07-19-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

What the hell do you expect me to do? It's the offseason. Sorry if I'm not farting rainbows enough for your tastes.

You don't have to fart rainbows to be entertaining. You don't have to troll to accomplish it either.

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OK. This is a legit criticism of Alex based on this idea that he may now be running a read option offense. The fact you can't see that is laughable.

If you are only talking about the concussion aspect then yes, it is a legitimate criticism of Smith. If you are talking about injuries in general, it is no more legitimate than talking about any other QB that opens himself up by running with the ball.

themanwithnoname · 07-19-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader

You don't have to fart rainbows to be entertaining. You don't have to troll to accomplish it either.

If you are only talking about the concussion aspect then yes, it is a legitimate criticism of Smith. If you are talking about injuries in general, it is no more legitimate than talking about any other QB that opens himself up by running with the ball.

Your reasoning isn't sound because of the fact that Smith has a lot of missed games due to injuries and he wasn't a running QB, so in general he seems to be more prone to it, so him running more then injuries are absolutely a concern.

Raiderhater · 07-19-2013, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by themanwithnoname

Your reasoning isn't sound because of the fact that Smith has a lot of missed games due to injuries and he wasn't a running QB, so in general he seems to be more prone to it, so him running more then injuries are absolutely a concern.

Your sentence isn't sound because it runs on.

It also isn't sound because it is based in fallacies that have been refuted in this very thread.

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