Chiefs Thoughts on the 2016 draft class - Page 11

RunKC · 04-30-2016, 04:27 PM

Chris Jones DL MSU
KeiVarae Russell CB ND
Parker Ehinger G/T Cincinnati
Eric Murray CB Minnesota
Demarcus Robinson WR Florida
Kevin Hogan QB Stanford
Tyreek Hill RB/PR West Alabama
DJ White CB Georgia Tech
Dadi Nicolas OLB Virginia Tech

What are your thoughts? Any steals? What's your initial grade?

O.city · 04-30-2016, 07:40 PM

Man, all you guys are in edge in here.

staylor26 · 04-30-2016, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I dint think Hamas said it was a failure

Get his ****ing dick out your mouth.

What he said was reeruned.

Dorsey goes for the home run at every pick and understands positional value, but yet his approach is low ceiling/high floor?

I'm losing a lot of respect for some of these so called knowledgable guys on here.

Don't even have the humility to see Dorsey is way ****ing better at this shit than the armchair GM's on CP (who I'm one of).

The difference between me and them is "I know that I'm intelligent because I know that I know nothing."

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-30-2016, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Fortunately for Chiefs fans, Dorsey's evaluation skills seem to be better than average, but the philosophy still has significant weaknesses overall because you never strengthen an already good unit--you just sew up the bullet wound to an existing one.

But that's about all any team can do in the salary cap era.

Build depth and do your best to be prepared for the future.

Personally, I think it's the right approach.

BryanBusby · 04-30-2016, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Man, all you guys are in edge in here.

It's odd. I said Hogan was fine to develop into a number 2 guy, said the Chiefs took the right DL at that point and I liked Russell and I HATE EVERYTHING KC and am apparently Goatse

milkman · 04-30-2016, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

IMO this is what we've got:

Jones will rotate a lot, especially in the nickel.
Russell will either start day one or slowly move into the role. My guess is day 1 starter.
Ehinger will start at G.
Murray will rotate as an outside CB.
Robinson will most likely be ST's and maybe a little work at WR.
Hill will start as the returner.
DJ White will probably be ST's and maybe some slot work.

I haven't seen Erhinger play, so this isn't a commentary on him.

However, I would not assign him a spot as a starter just yet.

If LDT makes the jump from year 2 to 3 that he did from 1 to 2, he's your long term starter at one guard spot, and Pughsley showed promise in the preseason last season.

BryanBusby · 04-30-2016, 07:45 PM

And while they said otherwise recently, I still wouldn't rule out an eventual change of Morse to LG and Fulton at Center down the road.

O.city · 04-30-2016, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Get his ****ing dick out your mouth.

What he said was reeruned.

Dorsey goes for the home run at every pick and understands positional value, but yet his approach is low ceiling/high floor?

I'm losing a lot of respect for some of these so called knowledgable guys on here.

Don't even have the humility to see Dorsey is way ****ing better at this shit than the armchair GM's on CP (who I'm one of).

The difference between me and them is "I know that I'm intelligent because I know that I know nothing."

Alot of these so called knowledgeable posters have a good reputation of laying out well reasoned statements for this or that.

Agree or disagree, there's no reason to go all scorched earth.

O.city · 04-30-2016, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But that's about all any team can do in the salary cap era.

Build depth and do your best to be prepared for the future.

Personally, I think it's the right approach.

With free agency and the cap, it seems to be about the only way to keep a group together.

By the time you get one area built another is falling apart because people are leaving or whatever.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-30-2016, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But that's about all any team can do in the salary cap era.

Build depth and do your best to be prepared for the future.

Personally, I think it's the right approach.

I just see it as a "mile wide, inch deep" approach.

Depth is a nice luxury, but I remember Bob Trumpy quoting Marty Schottenheimer on Thanksgiving '95. "They may have more stars, but we're deeper."

Having units that other teams can't account for (like the Legion of Boom, the Giants' DL of years past, even the '02-'03 Chiefs OL) I think is more advantageous than making sure that all of your units are a tick above average. The latter approach *will* survive injuries better, but I think its upside is limited.

O.city · 04-30-2016, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I just see it as a "mile wide, inch deep" approach.

Depth is a nice luxury, but I remember Bob Trumpy quoting Marty Schottenheimer on Thanksgiving '95. "They may have more stars, but we're deeper."

Having units that other teams can't account for (like the Legion of Boom, the Giants' DL of years past, even the '02-'03 Chiefs OL) I think is more advantageous than making sure that all of your units are a tick above average. The latter approach *will* survive injuries better, but I think its upside is limited.

Philosophical difference I guess.

It may be easier to build up a certain unit, but once it moves on for whatever reason, you have to start over.

staylor26 · 04-30-2016, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I just see it as a "mile wide, inch deep" approach.

Depth is a nice luxury, but I remember Bob Trumpy quoting Marty Schottenheimer on Thanksgiving '95. "They may have more stars, but we're deeper."

Having units that other teams can't account for (like the Legion of Boom, the Giants' DL of years past, even the '02-'03 Chiefs OL) I think is more advantageous than making sure that all of your units are a tick above average. The latter approach *will* survive injuries better, but I think its upside is limited.

What starting spots are open on the team?

Thumper? LG?

Dorsey understands positional value. He's not going to take a guy like Reggie Ragland at 28 to take Mauga's job. That's a ****ing waste. As would taking a LG.

Dorsey is using that approach because we have pro bowl caliber players all over our starting lineup. He's not drafting for the ****ing Browns.

He took Peters and Morse who started as rookies and were exceptional. It just so happens it worked out that way.

He might've taken a guy like Treadwell if they made it to 28, but why trade up and sacrifice depth? That's the thing that costed us most last season, and he addressed it.

Also, how does taking Jones not make our DL "a unit that other teams can't account for?"

Or having a ridiculously young talented CB group?

Like I said, this is ****ing reeruned.

Chief Roundup · 04-30-2016, 07:55 PM

I don't see any immediate starters or upgrades other than maybe depth for now and or the future. I was hoping for immediate help at a couple of positions more than depth for the future.
It seems like there was just a couple of players they had in mind. They were not able to acquire those players via a trade up they were ok with spending.
It may work out to be a great draft, but right now it is just pretty meh.

BlackOp · 04-30-2016, 07:56 PM

I cant believe people get so wound up over middle round players....

I like what I know of this draft....still think they should have taken Myles Jack @ 28 but Jones looks like a great consolation.

RunKC · 04-30-2016, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I just see it as a "mile wide, inch deep" approach.

Depth is a nice luxury, but I remember Bob Trumpy quoting Marty Schottenheimer on Thanksgiving '95. "They may have more stars, but we're deeper."

Having units that other teams can't account for (like the Legion of Boom, the Giants' DL of years past, even the '02-'03 Chiefs OL) I think is more advantageous than making sure that all of your units are a tick above average. The latter approach *will* survive injuries better, but I think its upside is limited.

This is a solid point, but I think depth is critical nowadays. Look at the Chiefs last year: Charles and Houstn were out and we made it through. Kam Chancellor sat out for a month and Seattle struggled.

O.city · 04-30-2016, 07:59 PM

Depth is great and nowdays, basically a must.

But when you lose all pro type players like houston and charles, depth isn't gonna replace them.

Just bad luck to have lost all the guys we did, when we did.

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