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Old 03-24-2008, 10:52 AM  
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Peter King: Herm will draft Matt Ryan to buy himself another year
I still doubt the Chiefs will take Ryan, but this is an interesting rationale for why they might and this is totally in line with the piece of garbage that Herm is.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...21/mmqb/1.html

Kansas City. Boston College QB Matt Ryan. Just a hunch, though they'll have trouble passing on Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long.

Strange thing here. At the combine, Carl Peterson told me the Chiefs loved Ryan, but there was no way they could take him because of their needs elsewhere. (Offensive line, I'm guessing.) Then they sent half the front office to his workout the other day at BC. Methinks Carl does not want to be the man to pass on the guy he thinks will be a franchise player. The other thing this does is buy coach Herman Edwards one more year of rebuilding. Even if the Chiefs go 5-11 this year, they couldn't whack Edwards until after they got a really good look at Ryan.
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Old 03-24-2008, 09:17 PM   #166
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I still doubt the Chiefs will take Ryan, but this is an interesting rationale for why they might and this is totally in line with the piece of garbage that Herm is.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...21/mmqb/1.html

Kansas City. Boston College QB Matt Ryan. Just a hunch, though they'll have trouble passing on Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long.

Strange thing here. At the combine, Carl Peterson told me the Chiefs loved Ryan, but there was no way they could take him because of their needs elsewhere. (Offensive line, I'm guessing.) Then they sent half the front office to his workout the other day at BC. Methinks Carl does not want to be the man to pass on the guy he thinks will be a franchise player. The other thing this does is buy coach Herman Edwards one more year of rebuilding. Even if the Chiefs go 5-11 this year, they couldn't whack Edwards until after they got a really good look at Ryan.

Why the hell not?
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Old 03-24-2008, 09:20 PM   #167
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I'd love to know what makes people think Matt Ryan is so shitty it would cause them to drink....

Would you prefer JaMarcus Russell who I watch people talk shit on constantly around here? If you hate the type of QB Russell is then you should love Ryan he's a hard working intangibles guy who has high level physical tools just not elite ones.

The only way the Chiefs will totally botch this pick is if they reach and take a OT no matter what or take a corner with that pick.
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Old 03-24-2008, 09:21 PM   #168
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I don't put much stock into "upside" with a pick that high anyway.
Matt Ryan has a good chance of being SOLID, maybe even above average. Hell, maybe even good.

I will take a STUD at any other position, before an above average QB just because he's a QB.

There will be a STUD available.
Thats just how a lot of people feel about Jake Long, people like me would rather have a STUD than an alright LT, or a good RT.
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Old 03-24-2008, 09:21 PM   #169
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Do we have to draft a QB every year now? What, are we trying to make up for all those years we passed on QBs? This is supposedly one of the best years to draft OL. Sounds like a no-brainer.

If you want a QB, pick up Quinn Gray and be done with it.
Who says taking a QB first means you don't get any lineman? It's a deep OL year but the guys on top aren't as good as in other years. There's more guys just no top end guy.

And people want a QB because it's basically proven that in the league right now it's really ****in hard to win anything if you don't have a QB who can be relied upon, and right now the one we got can't even be relied upon to suit up every week.
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Old 03-24-2008, 09:23 PM   #170
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If Ryan is there you have to take him. Croyle is not the answer, and the Chiefs know it.
Yep. He's a 3rd rounder and the Chiefs owe him nothing. The only reason he's still around is because this franchise has failed at drafting and developing a young QB.
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A good Oline year doesn't mean there are only elite ones in the 1st round... also Quinn Gray signed with the Texans...
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Old 03-24-2008, 09:25 PM   #172
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Yep. He's a 3rd rounder and the Chiefs owe him nothing. The only reason he's still around is because this franchise has failed at drafting and developing a young QB.
If anyone around here really thinks Croyle is on the same stratosphere as Ryan as a prospect I'd like to know what they are smoking...

I see way to most posts around here where you'd think Croyle was the #1 pick best QB prospect of his class and just needs time...when that isn't the case. So far the guy has shown jack and shit. He has a strong arm and gets hurt alot, we all knew that before he ever got drafted.
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Old 03-24-2008, 09:41 PM   #173
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I'd love to know what makes people think Matt Ryan is so shitty it would cause them to drink....
Lateral move IMO, the guy will do as good as Croyle would with a bigger paycheck
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Lateral move IMO, the guy will do as good as Croyle would with a bigger paycheck
I disagree with that.......to me the only thing Croyle has over Ryan is his arm strength and well I've seen a ton of big armed guys flame out. Ryans arm is pretty good, hell Tom Brady has an NFL average arm.
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Old 03-24-2008, 09:51 PM   #175
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Lateral move IMO, the guy will do as good as Croyle would with a bigger paycheck
By all accounts, he's a much better prospect.

Hell, I'm no draft guru... but the general consensus seems to be that Ryan has a MUCH better chance of becoming a good NFL QB.

The Chiefs have been set on Croyle, until now. If they're willing to give up on Croyle, and pass on some other huge needs... I figure it's probably because they figure Ryan over Croyle is a huge up-grade.

If that's the case, I can't really argue with it. I like Croyle. I hope he'll be good some day... but nothing he's done has convinced me that he's a future stud.
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Old 03-24-2008, 09:57 PM   #176
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Really? Jake Long was the Big Ten Offensive lineman of the year the last 2 seasons (i.e. when Thomas was a senior). He isn't of Thomas's caliber?

Hey, I'm OK drafting Ryan. I'm not trying to diss him. But if it's between Long and Ryan, I gotta think it's a no-brainer.
I think the problem is that based on all the scouting reports Long is not a sure thing for an NFL caliber left tackle. That is a really high pick for a right tackle.
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why are people comparing matt ryan to hasselbeck??? wasn't hasselbeck a late round pick? how does he compare to a guy considered top 5 talent?

i really think alot of people haven't even seen matt ryan play. if we took him i wouldn't be upset at all as well as he played with the lack of talent around him.
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By all accounts, he's a much better prospect.

Hell, I'm no draft guru... but the general consensus seems to be that Ryan has a MUCH better chance of becoming a good NFL QB.

The Chiefs have been set on Croyle, until now. If they're willing to give up on Croyle, and pass on some other huge needs... I figure it's probably because they figure Ryan over Croyle is a huge up-grade.

If that's the case, I can't really argue with it. I like Croyle. I hope he'll be good some day... but nothing he's done has convinced me that he's a future stud.
agree completely. i HOPE croyle pans out, but if they feel ryan is a franchise quarterback you have to take him if who you want is gone and he's the top guy on your board.
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Old 03-24-2008, 11:11 PM   #179
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Can someone explain to me how Ryan rose? He sucked against VT. He sucks in general. I watched some of his games last year and he seemed like a 2nd rounder at best. Why is he all of the sudden skyrocketed to a position that makes him off the board or taken by us?
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Old 03-25-2008, 03:41 AM   #180
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do you guys not like brodie croyle?
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