MNF - You decide

TD or INT


I don't even know how necessary this might be but I am interested to know if this is the most lopsided poll in the history of this site.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer

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Drew Brees ‏@drewbrees
Ironic that our league punishes those based on conduct detrimental. Whose CONDUCT is DETRIMENTAL now?

Maybe if Brees spent as much time practicing as he does complaining, tweeting, and appearing on late night shows all season he wouldn't be sporting a 54% completion percentage.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

They were wrong. They did review the play.

Yeah we all know they reviewed the play. But they didn't review or try to make a determination as to who had possession.

[Planetman]

Dual posses .. Oh who am I kidding? That was a pick and everyone knows it.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Yeah we all know they reviewed the play. But they didn't review or try to make a determination as to who had possession.

"The ruling on the final play was simultaneous catch," referee Wayne Elliott told pool reporter Danny O'Neil of The Seattle Times. "Reviewed by replay. Play stands."

[tooge]

It's an INT. Golden Tate has one arm in there and the d back has the ball cradled. Pretty clear to me. It doesn't become a "tie ball" until after the dback is on the ground, in which case, it would have been in his possession. Golden Tate also totally pushed the D back in front of him down and that wasn't called either. Seattle stole one for sure.

[Omaha]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Yeah we all know they reviewed the play. But they didn't review or try to make a determination as to who had possession.

This

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Los Pollos Hermanos

Which demands are outrageous?

The referees are continuing to insist on a defined benefit pension plan -- the kind of plan that put GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and that American private employers are fleeing from. Defined benefit plans are mostly a public union workforce thing now, and governments are getting into financial difficulties because of them.

Keep in mind that nobody else in the NFL -- not the players, coaches or front office -- has the benefit that the PART-TIME referees are demanding that they get, which is basically a guaranteed salary for life after they hit retirement age.

It's completely f'n ridiculous.


The NFL also wants backup crews trained up, to help with substitutions and replacements of poorly performing refs. The refs dont' like the threat to their job security, however.

I'm 100% with the NFL on this.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

"The ruling on the final play was simultaneous catch," referee Wayne Elliott told pool reporter Danny O'Neil of The Seattle Times. "Reviewed by replay. Play stands."

You know, had the real refs been in there, they would have huddled to discuss the play.

These guys didn't do that.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Yeah we all know they reviewed the play. But they didn't review or try to make a determination as to who had possession.

Replay cannot determine possession.

Stupid rule.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Omaha

This

What were they reviewing then?

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

What were they reviewing then?

Supposedly, the refs called it a TD on the field, which they never announced.

[blaise]

There does seem to be difference of opinion. Dan Patrick just had on some ref or something that said they could have reviewed for joint possession and awarded to Green Bay, but I hear other guys saying you can't.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by blaise

There does seem to be difference of opinion. Dan Patrick just had on some ref or something that said they could have reviewed for joint possession and awarded to Green Bay, but I hear other guys saying you can't.

The dumbass head ref didn't even know what he was reviewing. Had 1 official signaling clock stoppage/touchback and 1 official signaling touchdown. Head ref went straight to the replay booth, put on the headset, came out 30 seconds later and said, "the ruling on the field stands. Touchdown." What the **** was the ruling on the field? The idiot who called "touchdown" was in the pile still trying to figure out who had possession after he already called it a ****ing touchdown.

[jAZ]

Watch the first Gif in this thread and watch the hands of both players. They both touch the ball at the same time. The DB has a better angle and though a stronger hold on the ball, and he never lets go of the ball. The receiver has a loose hold on the ball and his falling body weight pulls one hand away briefly but he gets it back almost instantly.

So the facts are that they both catch the ball at the same time, the WR loses a hold with 1 hand but not both. And almost before you can blink, he has the 2nd hand back.

I don't think you can come up with a harder call to have to make in real time, and even on replay. I think it's easy to say the DB gets the call because he was more powerful though the entire process, but the rules don't say anything about powerful.

So I'll (barely) vote for Seattle. But the truth is this was an amazing, amazing play and a really difficult call if you follow the rules as written and not insert some other non-rule standard of your own.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by jAZ

Watch the first Gif in this thread and watch the hands of both players. They both touch the ball at the same time. The DB has a better angle and though a stronger hold on the ball, and he never lets go of the ball. The receiver has a loose hold on the ball and his falling body weight pulls one hand away briefly but he gets it back almost instantly.

So the facts are that they both catch the ball at the same time, the WR loses a hold with 1 hand but not both. And almost before you can blink, he has the 2nd hand back.

I don't think you can come up with a harder call to have to make in real time, and even on replay. I think it's easy to say the DB gets the call because he was more powerful though the entire process, but the rules don't say anything about powerful.

So I'll (barely) vote for Seattle. But the truth is this was an amazing, amazing play and a really difficult call if you follow the rules as written and not insert some other non-rule standard of your own.

Clearly you've seen the stills of Tate holding the forearm of the Packer and not the ball when they were down and aren't a complete idiot.