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No, I knew Pioli would build a winner all along... I'm a PioliZombie! 29 24.58%
No, I took a wait and see, for at least one full season, maybe longer. 80 67.80%
No, this is a mirage, Pioli, Haley, Cassel, et al still suck. 2 1.69%
Yes, I over reacted. They know what they are doing. 7 5.93%
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Old 09-26-2010, 01:58 PM  
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Did you over-react to the work of Scott Pioli?
There were a whole lot of people who lost patience with Scott Pioli starting after the hiring of Todd Haley and the 1st pick in the 2009 draft.

The Haley Hire sucked.
The Tyson Jackson pick sucked.
The Cassel/Vrabel trade sucked.
The whole 2009 Draft sucked.
Tamba Hali sucks.
The Dexter McCluster pick sucked.
The Tony Moeaki pick sucked.
The moves on the OL sucked.
The majority of the 2010 draft sucked.
Playing Thomas Jones so much sucks.

What else am I missing?
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:17 PM   #166
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Big believer in Pioli, small-little to no believer in Haley...
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:18 PM   #167
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Big believer in Pioli, small-little to no believer in Haley...
I think you have it backwards.

Haley's has made chicken salad with chicken shit like Dexter McGimmick and Tyson Chicken.
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:39 PM   #168
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I think you have it backwards.

Haley's has made chicken salad with chicken shit like Dexter McGimmick and Tyson Chicken.
Yep. Though I disagree with you on DMac, WAY more props to Haley.
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:41 PM   #169
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people crack me up

Haley changed that entire game by going for it on 4th and 1 in KC territory...

Battle picked it up...and we were a changed team from that point.

That's balls...and maybe 1 other coach in the NFL makes that decision and doesn't punt.

and had we got stuffed it would have been an "end of the world!" call on this site.
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:51 PM   #170
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people crack me up

Haley changed that entire game by going for it on 4th and 1 in KC territory...

Battle picked it up...and we were a changed team from that point.

That's balls...and maybe 1 other coach in the NFL makes that decision and doesn't punt.

and had we got stuffed it would have been an "end of the world!" call on this site.
No problem here with that call.

My issue is why it got to be 4th down to begin with.

Throwing on 3rd and 1 is getting out of control. You have the #1 ranked rushing offense in the league. You don't seem to have much problem running the ball on 4th and short, when the whole world knows you're running.

Run on 3rd down and stay out of that situation.

You trust the team on 4th down, but not on 3rd?

Odd.
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:54 PM   #171
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No problem here with that call.

My issue is why it got to be 4th down to begin with.

Throwing on 3rd and 1 is getting out of control. You have the #1 ranked rushing offense in the league. You don't seem to have much problem running the ball on 4th and short, when the whole world knows you're running.

Run on 3rd down and stay out of that situation.
well to me that's not the point

and if they go into that 3rd and 1 saying "ok, we're going for it on 4th down no matter what" I see no issues with taking a risk on 3rd and 1...

Despite being a running team, we are extremely unpredictable and that's a credit to the coaching staff...

we actually used our play-action game to get us out of our funk early on...it took a few series to get our run game going...

and 6 games ago we didn't even have a play-action game...

when Cassel is on, we are SCARY...he's been using the pocket so well lately...stepping up, avoiding pressure, making plays on the run...

He's doing stuff I never thought he was capable of...in New England he was getting better and better every week down the stretch too...we're seeing a repeat...hopefully he has a happy ending this time.
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I have more of a conservative mind...I'm always cheering for Jamaal draws during the 2 minute drill before halftime...when we were up 14-6 I always cheer for the Vermeil/Priest draws we used to draw up rather than risk making a huge mistake...

so of course when it's 3rd and 1 I think we should be running the ball...but I can't fault the staff for passing or using a play-action...especially when TJ has been only adequate on 3rd and short this year...

and no, I don't want to start the "that's why Jamaal needs more carries" schtick right now...
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:58 PM   #173
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well to me that's not the point

and if they go into that 3rd and 1 saying "ok, we're going for it on 4th down no matter what" I see no issues with taking a risk on 3rd and 1...

Guess I'd just prefer to move the chains on 3rd down and not take the risk associated with a 4th down call unless necessary.

They obviously don't have an issue running when the other team knows they're running, see our 4th down running conversions.

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Old 12-20-2010, 04:00 PM   #174
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Guess I'd just prefer to move the chains on 3rd down and not take the risk associated with a 4th down call unless necessary.

They obviously don't have an issue running when the other team knows they're running, see our 4th down running conversions.

JMO.
Sometimes Weis needs to be drop kicked in his liver for his 3rd down and short decisions. I understand that we don't have a power line, but his calls are beyond ridiculous at times. We had a lot of 3rd and shorts yesterday, we should have run straight up the gut on many of them. Battle could have picked them up, even TJ. Charles might have made a 20+ yard gain out of them.
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Have people forgotten how horrible our running game has been on third and short this year?

We have to keep throwing to keep defenses off balance.

Remember the Raider game? Couldn't run for shit on third and 1. After that Haley said, OK, **** this, I'm not Herm.
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Have people forgotten how horrible our running game has been on third and short this year?

We have to keep throwing to keep defenses off balance.

Remember the Raider game? Couldn't run for shit on third and 1. After that Haley said, OK, **** this, I'm not Herm.
IMO, that has more to do with the play calls than anything.

Running ****ing sweeps and sprint draws on 3rd and short is reeruned.

Pound the ****ing rock.

They don't seem to have an issue doing so on 4th and short, when everyone on the field and in the stands KNOWS they are running.
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Old 12-20-2010, 04:08 PM   #177
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IMO, that has more to do with the play calls than anything.

Running ****ing sweeps and sprint draws on 3rd and short is reeruned.
I just remember Wiegmann and Lilja getting blown up. Hell, even Waters, by Seymour.

This line is not good in power situations. And that's part of the reason they're willing to pitch the ball on third and short. Defenses won't expect it, and it suits our talent.

We couldn't punch it in for a TD in the Denver game either on about three runs inside the 2. We put in Shaun Smith because we're desperate.

I know it's frustrating to watch a pass when we need a yard, but ever since that Oakland debacle I really don't have a problem with it.
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Have people forgotten how horrible our running game has been on third and short this year?

We have to keep throwing to keep defenses off balance.

Remember the Raider game? Couldn't run for shit on third and 1. After that Haley said, OK, **** this, I'm not Herm.
Thats because Casey Wiegmann sucks vs 3-4 teams.
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Sometimes Weis needs to be drop kicked in his liver for his 3rd down and short decisions. I understand that we don't have a power line, but his calls are beyond ridiculous at times. We had a lot of 3rd and shorts yesterday, we should have run straight up the gut on many of them. Battle could have picked them up, even TJ. Charles might have made a 20+ yard gain out of them.
Eli Manning has 17 passing attempts on 3rd and 0-2, despite quarterbacking for a ground-n-pound team. Cassel has 21 passing attempts on 3rd and 0-2. It's not as if Weis is going crazy and doing something that's just utterly bizarre.

The problem's been execution. Whether that's the QB, the specific pass call, the o-line, the receivers, or whatever, the problem isn't calling for a pass on its own.

Chiefs 3rd down and 0-2 numbers:

Rush attempts: 21
Pass attempts: 21

Rush yards: 26
Pass yards: 72

Rush yards/per: 1.2
Pass yards/per: 3.4

Rush 1st downs: 10
Pass 1st downs: unavailable on ESPN.com, but only 8 completions

Again, using the Giants, you get first down conversions with 14 of 19 rushes (.737), vs. the Chiefs 10 of 21 (.476). The Chiefs are just not very good on 3rd and short, regardless of whether it's rushing or passing.
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