Walterfootball.com has KC picking #8 overall

[DJ's left nut]

Locker had nowhere near the weapons or offensive system in place designed to make it as easy on him as it is on Wilson. Moreover, Wilson isn't a pure pocket guy; he's actually fairly mobile. However, the system he runs isn't built around him moving at all and frankly attempts to avoid it.

When I saw him play, I saw a guy that was absolutely a solid athlete and very similar to Locker in that regard. Locker is perhaps a little faster in a straight line and a little more fluid, but I don't see Wilson as a stiff at all.

As to accuracy, there's no question that Locker could be erratic at times (and in fact still is). I disagree that he struggles with his progressions, but I do think his mechanics fail him fairly often. Again I think that's a coaching issue as he wasn't exactly loaded with clean pockets and open WRs with the Huskies. I also think we're overrated Wilson's accuracy a great deal. His accuracy is no better than average. He made his bones last year flinging it into open spaces for one of the top 5 skill-position units in the country. Guys were constantly open in those Arky games. I did notice, however, that he often put too much air under the deep ball or threw his guys towards coverage.

I don't think of Ryan Mallet as anything approaching an 'accurate' passer, yet his completion % his last year in Arkansas was better than Wilson's was last season. That's a fantastic system for QBs.

They come from different systems and have been developed differently for sure. In the end, however, I think they carry very very similar physical attributes and upside. The same arguments you make in favor of me 'underrating' Wilson are why I say you're overrating him.

He's a good, not great, prospect.

[Titty Meat]

I look at Wilson's stats and atleast from an INT rate i'd say he's pretty safe with the ball.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by billay

I look at Wilson's stats and atleast from an INT rate i'd say he's pretty safe with the ball.

Based on 1 season where he had a great supporting cast and the most QB friendly offense in football to work with.

This year he's throw 3 picks in 3 games against sub-standard competition, including 2 in a loss to Rutgers.

Are we just going to ignore the fact that he completed 55% of his passes against Louisiana Monroe? Oh, and got picked off again. Or 51% of his passes against a juggernaut Rutgers squad?

The kid's been bad this year - just bad. All this talk about his phenominal accuracy, rocket arm and leadership qualities are based on 11 games with a super-spread offense and insane skill position players at his disposal (and a not insignificant amount of confirmation bias to boot). And the games I've seen haven't shown me superlative raw talent.

This year, with a more 'normal' offense and merely above average weapons around him, he's underperformed as well as thrown his teammates under the bus.

I just don't understand the undying affection for this kid.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This year he's throw 3 picks in 3 games against sub-standard competition, including 2 in a loss to Rutgers.

He also threw for over 400 yards and 3 TDs in that game...coming off of an injury.

And for such a QB friendly offense...that offense sure was missing him while he was gone.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

He also threw for over 400 yards and 3 TDs in that game...coming off of an injury.

And for such a QB friendly offense...that offense sure was missing him while he was gone.

Um...Alabama will do that to you. Wilson only put up 14 against 'Bama last year with Petrino still at the helm and with better weapons around him.

His offense this year isn't nearly as QB friendly with Petrino gone and it's clearly showing in his statistics. When everything was in his favor last year, 'Bama still curb-stomped them and he still struggled.

The best thing that could've happened to Wilson was to miss that game. They'd have still got blasted and the questions would be even louder. Now he gets to point to a 400 yard passing game against Rutgers (300 of which were by the same WR...progressions indeed) to puff out his chest.

He's been bad this season and watching Cobi Hamilton pile up YAC yards against Rutgers doesn't really change that.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Um...Alabama will do that to you. Wilson only put up 14 against 'Bama last year with Petrino still at the helm and with better weapons around him.

His offense this year isn't nearly as QB friendly with Petrino gone and it's clearly showing in his statistics. When everything was in his favor last year, 'Bama still curb-stomped them and he still struggled.

The best thing that could've happened to Wilson was to miss that game. They'd have still got blasted and the questions would be even louder.

Who's 'thrived' against Alabama...?

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Based on 1 season where he had a great supporting cast and the most QB friendly offense in football to work with.

This year he's throw 3 picks in 3 games against sub-standard competition, including 2 in a loss to Rutgers.

Are we just going to ignore the fact that he completed 55% of his passes against Louisiana Monroe? Oh, and got picked off again. Or 51% of his passes against a juggernaut Rutgers squad?

The kid's been bad this year - just bad. All this talk about his phenominal accuracy, rocket arm and leadership qualities are based on 11 games with a super-spread offense and insane skill position players at his disposal (and a not insignificant amount of confirmation bias to boot). And the games I've seen haven't shown me superlative raw talent.

This year, with a more 'normal' offense and merely above average weapons around him, he's underperformed as well as thrown his teammates under the bus.

I just don't understand the undying affection for this kid.

Geno Smith plays in a Dana Holgorson offense that is anything but pro style. There is some offensive talent at WVU as well. Not trying to downplay him or build up Wilson, but things need to remain n perspective when evaluating both of them. Smith is lighting it up against clearly inferior teams. I want to see how he does against a team with a more stout defense if they play against any this year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Geno Smith plays in a Dana Holgorson offense that is anything but pro style. There is some offensive talent at WVU as well. Not trying to downplay him or build up Wilson, but things need to remain n perspective when evaluating both of them. Smith is lighting it up against clearly inferior teams. I want to see how he does against a team with a more stout defense if they play against any this year.

My argument for Smith has always been that he was actually performing well as a Soph in a very pro-style offense before Holgorsen arrived. He was excellent in 2010 under Stewart (who features a very pro-style system).

Your argument here is a non-starter, IMO. What makes Smith so appealing is that he's done it in multiple systems AND the fact that he's simply more impressive on tape.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Geno Smith plays in a Dana Holgorson offense that is anything but pro style. There is some offensive talent at WVU as well. Not trying to downplay him or build up Wilson, but things need to remain n perspective when evaluating both of them. Smith is lighting it up against clearly inferior teams. I want to see how he does against a team with a more stout defense if they play against any this year.

When the spread protects a QB from pressure and allows him to sit back and lob shit to receivers less than 15 yards downfield, then it's not very impressive.

Geno Smith has faced terrible teams, but regardless of that he's faced intense pressure in games and still found way to extend plays and make things work nicely.

He faces off against #25-ranked Baylor this Saturday on FX. He could be in for quite a ride in a shootout. I think if he proves he can win games like this consistently, he's absolutely the real deal. And I'm pretty confident he'll do well in this matchup.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Based on 1 season where he had a great supporting cast and the most QB friendly offense in football to work with.

This year he's throw 3 picks in 3 games against sub-standard competition, including 2 in a loss to Rutgers.

Are we just going to ignore the fact that he completed 55% of his passes against Louisiana Monroe? Oh, and got picked off again. Or 51% of his passes against a juggernaut Rutgers squad?

The kid's been bad this year - just bad. All this talk about his phenominal accuracy, rocket arm and leadership qualities are based on 11 games with a super-spread offense and insane skill position players at his disposal (and a not insignificant amount of confirmation bias to boot). And the games I've seen haven't shown me superlative raw talent.

This year, with a more 'normal' offense and merely above average weapons around him, he's underperformed as well as thrown his teammates under the bus.

I just don't understand the undying affection for this kid.

If this was the pros the turmoil that has surround Arkansas would be an excuse for a star veteran player playing poorly. Why should that not play into the season Wilson is having?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by tredadda

If this was the pros the turmoil that has surround Arkansas would be an excuse for a star veteran player playing poorly. Why should that not play into the season Wilson is having?

It does.

But again - I wasn't impressed with him last season. His stats were fine, but I didn't like what I saw in his game at all.

So when I see the guy struggling, I'll give him some deference for the situation, but it's also going to confirm my thought that he was overrated from the jump.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It does.

But again - I wasn't impressed with him last season. His stats were fine, but I didn't like what I saw in his game at all.

So when I see the guy struggling, I'll give him some deference for the situation, but it's also going to confirm my thought that he was overrated from the jump.

OK, fair enough.

[L.A. Chieffan]

All this talk about collegiate quarterbacks... what the devil for?

[O.city]

I will say that Arkansas has a terrible o line and continuously runs deep crossing and out routes taking forever to develop, getting the qb killed.

But what DJ is saying holds a lot of water. He had a lot of weapons last year. He did get his all American rb back this year but he can't do shit