I like Herm's method better...

[kcbubb]

I would rather play with a bunch of young players and develop them than sign a bunch of old guys if we know that we are going to be bad. Most people seem to believe that the Chiefs are going to be lucky to win six games.

If that is the case, why not look for the next Brandon Carr, Mark Bradley or Mike Cox??? It's hard to find those guys if they don't get a chance to play.

Why are we wasting this valuable playing time on players like Zach Thomas, Mike Vrabel, Mike Goff, and Bobby Engram??? I am sure that they will contribute and play well for the Chiefs at times.

If we were a team that were close to making a playoff run, I would welcome the addition of the older players, but the Chiefs are still developing their roster especially with the change to the 3-4.

If we are going to be bad, I would really rather see Brian Johnston play rather than Vrabel. And I would rather see Quinten Lawrence play rather than Engram.

Or are you one that believes that these older players provide valuable leadership???

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Corky > kcbubb

that's pretty funny...

Here's some interesting news. Pioli has a hot new prospect and I know Hunt is already going to say I told you so since he confirmed with us that Pioli is a shrewd evaluator of talent...

Here's the pick of the new prospect..



Bob Bonawitz

[milkman]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

You said professionals. You didn't say anything about performance. And Pioli is a rookie. I'll give him a chance but don't fault me for questioning his moves.

And will you question Pioli if the Chiefs suck next season??? He's Pioli. You can't question Pioli.

I doubt it. You have his picture next to your speedometer in your car. Just Passin' By + Pioli = man crush

No one says you can't question Pioli, but don't be surprised when the quetions you raise are stupid ****ing questions and you are called a dumbass for it.

Dumbass.

[DeezNutz]

You shouldn't question Pioli.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You shouldn't question Pioli.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

that's pretty funny...

Here's some interesting news. Pioli has a hot new prospect and I know Hunt is already going to say I told you so since he confirmed with us that Pioli is a shrewd evaluator of talent...

Here's the pick of the new prospect..



SKIP TOWNE

FYP.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by Chaunceythe3rd

We aren't gonna get diddly squat better this year unless there are some veterans on the sideline to keep Haley in check and bale him out when he screws up. He needed Warner and Boldin in Arizona to knock him around every game when he had his head up his ass. Heck, Whisenhunt only let him call plays for one year and Warner was free to ignore them, which he did very regularly. We don't have the offensive talent that the Cards have so I think Haley will be unmasked early on. Pioli is not the guy for this task because he didn't have to do the same with Belichick (who would have eaten him alive). What we have here are two supposed "wonder kids" whose reputation was made on the efforts of those around them. I hope I'm wrong but I think Haley was as poor a choice as Clancy Pendergast whose AZ defense gave up as many points as the team scored all year with three games where 50 points were given up. If this is an indication of Pioli's and Haley's prowess, then I'm not impressed at all.

Jeez, next you'll be saying Cassel is a mediocre QB.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by MadMax

Jeez, next you'll be saying Cassel is a mediocre QB.

I find taking sports views from someone named "Chauncey" seriously a very hard thing to do.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

I find taking sports views from someone named "Chauncey" seriously a very hard thing to do.

He is 3rd generation Chauncey if that helps any. I do agree with what he said though.

[BarrySPAMAID]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

1.) Pioli is not a rookie

2.) Questioning professionals and thinking you can do their job better than they do are not necessarily the same thing. In your case, however, you clearly seem to think you could do a better job than a man who's won "executive of the year" on multiple occasions even when he's still in his first months of his first offseason with the new team.

3.) I don't care if the Chiefs suck next season, and I wouldn't care even if I was a Chiefs fan. Evaluating this team based upon wins and losses, or your perception of 'suck' is exactly what you don't do with a team this bad. This team will need to be evaluated based upon progress towards EVENTUAL consistently competitive teams, or the lack thereof. Let me repeat something I mentioned earlier, in the hopes that it will penetrate that veil of willful ignorance you're currently walking around with:

Pioli walked into a situation with a team that had only one core talent under the age of 30, and that player has only had one season. This team had a 30+ tight end and a 30- left tackle, and that's it. No other player on this team had cemented himself as the kind of high end talent that you want on Super Bowl contenders, especially at the core positions (middle of the field on defense, QB, LT, RB, #1 WR on offense). Even if you were to stretch and toss Bowe in that group (and I could easily be convinced to add him to the mix if he would just show improvement on his drop issue), that's still only two on the entire team.

4.) I don't have a man crush on Pioli. I have an interest in following his progress or lack thereof, nothing more. Frankly, it's in the best interest of my team that Pioli, Mangini, McDaniels, Crennel, Dimitroff, et al. go down in flames.

5.) You claiming that you'll give Pioli a chance would have more weight to it if you hadn't already proven that you won't actually do that.

This my friend, was a great post. Good stuff, 5 stars for you today. I will take the questions below, just for fun. So have at it,...

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Just for you, some questions:

1.) Why not more veteran running backs to compete?

Because Jackie Battle, Jamaal Charles, and Kolby Smith are a very capable. I for one am looking for Battle to step up this year and claim his spot behind Larry Johnson, while having an occasional Charles on third down.

2.) What's the backup plan if Thomas gets another concussion?

Thomas?


3.) Why is Cassel not signed to a long-term deal and, if the Chiefs plan to hold off, why not go public with an explanation?

Because it's May. That's why.

4.) Does he think Dorsey is a bust? If he does, why didn't he trade him prior to the draft, when he could have used the 4-3/3-4 thing as cover? If he doesn't, but he's not using Dorsey on the nose, why did he draft 2 defensive ends?

The answer is NO, and anyone WHO DOES think that Dorsey is a bust, is either jumping to conclusions, or JUST DOSENT UNDERSTAND the Defensive tackle position well enough. Dorsey will have a strong role in this hybrid defense this year, and I expect a strong sophmore year from him. His numbers last year were good. Write it down.


5.) Why not look to bring in a #2 receiver if he was going to get rid of Gonzalez? Is that going to wait until cuts, is he confident in what's already there, did he not like what was available... why?

Again, I refer to May. I still think a few players may still be available, or dealt prior to camp. If not, Having a Bowe, Bradley, Engram starting is fine with me.


See, these are questions that I'd ask if I could sit down with him over a beer. They are not, however, complaints, because it's far too early to be going down that path.

I don't defend everything. I say wait and see. There's a big difference. Frankly, there's always plenty to question, no matter who the person is. I question Belichick,and he's the best in the game. However, and again, there's a difference between having questions, and making asinine comments preferring Herm's approach over Pioli's when you haven't even seen this team on the field for the first time under Pioli yet.

Again, very good point. The only thing we know right now, is that these players are probably going to sweat their asses of come August. On paper, it looks like Haley is looking to win the 4th quarter. ( Which, if this team could have done last season, they would not have been 2-14)

Originally Posted by Chaunceythe3rd

We aren't gonna get diddly squat better this year unless there are some veterans on the sideline to keep Haley in check and bale him out when he screws up. He needed Warner and Boldin in Arizona to knock him around every game when he had his head up his ass. Heck, Whisenhunt only let him call plays for one year and Warner was free to ignore them, which he did very regularly. We don't have the offensive talent that the Cards have so I think Haley will be unmasked early on. Pioli is not the guy for this task because he didn't have to do the same with Belichick (who would have eaten him alive). What we have here are two supposed "wonder kids" whose reputation was made on the efforts of those around them. I hope I'm wrong but I think Haley was as poor a choice as Clancy Pendergast whose AZ defense gave up as many points as the team scored all year with three games where 50 points were given up. If this is an indication of Pioli's and Haley's prowess, then I'm not impressed at all.

Ya know, at first when I heard that Herm Edwards was being released, and that we would have a new coach coming into town, I wanted the Bill Cowher, or some big name out there, to come in and start kicking some ass. I didnt know anything about Haley. The best thing I can tell you is this,

The more I read about Haley, the more pressors that I watch, the more I get excited about this young football team. In reference to your comment about Clancy, and his defense, I had the Cards Defense as my starting defense on my fantasy team last season. I will say this much, They got hot, when it mattered. This is what got me to warm up to Clancy. Come time to compete, in the games THEY HAD to win, Arizona's defense did quite well in the end.

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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by MadMax

He is 3rd generation Chauncey if that helps any. I do agree with what he said though.

I don't. That's about as worst-case scenario as you can possibly get, and not very grounded in reality.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by BarrysKOOLAID

The more I read about Haley, the more pressors that I watch, the more I get excited about this young football team. In reference to your comment about Clancy, and his defense, I had the Cards Defense as my starting defense on my fantasy team last season. I will say this much, They got hot, when it mattered. This is what got me to warm up to Clancy. Come time to compete, in the games THEY HAD to win, Arizona's defense did quite well in the end.

My opinion of Haley has been exactly the opposite. I was kinda optimistic at first.

Now after seeing the following...

Pioli tap at his watch telling Haley to speed it up at a presser

and how he handled Waters who plays one of our weakest positions

and how he didn't give an accurate answer of where his first round pick is going to play when he said he would play on the open side

and after signing a bunch of old players

I'm beginning to think that Haley is more of yes man to Pioli.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

and how he handled Waters who plays one of our weakest positions

You're really worried about how he treated an OG?

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You're really worried about how he treated an OG?

yes. The OG is huge in the run game and short yardage. Remember Will Shields???

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

yes. The OG is huge in the run game and short yardage. Remember Will Shields???

Yes, I understand that the O-line is generally important in most running and passing situations.

My concern for the treatment of any OG is slightly more than my worry about the treatment of a K or P.

I long for the day when our best players and the fan favorites don't play some of the least important positions on the field.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

I don't. That's about as worst-case scenario as you can possibly get, and not very grounded in reality.

Color me pessimistic. Actually I'm just not impressed by ANY of the moves the Chiefs have made with the exception of getting rid of Carl and Herm. But I don't pretend to know Jack squat about anything, I will however hope for the best cause it's what I do every season.