Chiefs Did you over-react to the work of Casshole? - Page 12

Sannyasi · 12-22-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Are you being purposefully obtuse or is there a cognitive disconnect that is keeping you from understanding what hes talking about?

A lot of people, Madmax included, said this is a 4-6 win team at best. "I'll suck my own dick if we win 8 games".

The main issue is in August had you asked what do you want to see from MC to make you think he might be the answer at QB and they listed stats, games won etc, there's no way they would expect more than what he's done. Yet they refuse to look at MC and see any good. They refuse to give any credit because they are invested in being right. Dane and Milkman are logical thinkers. They were anti-Cassel and yet they see that he is possibly turning a corner and might be the answer. I feel the same way. Others have used pretexts to attempt to have a "logical reason" to continue to claim he sucks.

Bottom line if you are looking to find fault and place blame on MC he's an easy target but then so is every QB in the league Manning and Brady included.

EVERYONE thinks that Cassel has improved. If you can't find the posts saying that Cassel has been playing much better the last few games then i have to imagine its because you aren't looking.

**Dave Lane** · 12-22-2010, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sannyasi

EVERYONE thinks that Cassel has improved. If you can't find the posts saying that Cassel has been playing much better the last few games then i have to imagine its because you aren't looking.

Some people rather than give credit (like BA) are now saying, at best, well even if he is better he's still not a franchise QB.

Just say he's improving looks lots better and stfu. Seriously its time for this thread to end. Get the Cassle haters to admit its looking like he MIGHT be the answer and this thread can die.

MadMax · 12-22-2010, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Are you being purposefully obtuse or is there a cognitive disconnect that is keeping you from understanding what hes talking about?

A lot of people, Madmax included, said this is a 4-6 win team at best. "I'll suck my own dick if we win 8 games".

The main issue is in August had you asked what do you want to see from MC to make you think he might be the answer at QB and they listed stats, games won etc, there's no way they would expect more than what he's done. Yet they refuse to look at MC and see any good. They refuse to give any credit because they are invested in being right. Dane and Milkman are logical thinkers. They were anti-Cassel and yet they see that he is possibly turning a corner and might be the answer. I feel the same way. Others have used pretexts to attempt to have a "logical reason" to continue to claim he sucks.

Bottom line if you are looking to find fault and place blame on MC he's an easy target but then so is every QB in the league Manning and Brady included.

Dave I don't believe I ever said he hasn't improved. Yes I made a foolish prediction, and I have no hate for Cassel. He is just not the QB I had hope for. I hope he gets better and wish nothing but the best for the Chiefs.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-22-2010, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

Dave I don't believe I ever said he hasn't improved. Yes I made a foolish prediction, and I have no hate for Cassel. He is just not the QB I had hope for. I hope he gets better and wish nothing but the best for the Chiefs.

He's the guy, there's no getting around it, the team plays better with him, so my MO is as follows:

Build Uber-Team to support him, take it as far as it can go, and pray, yes PRAY LIKE YOU'VE NEVER PRAYED BEFORE, that guy who comes after him is FINALLY high-round, franchise material.

Yep; think long-term.

Over/Out!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-09-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ROR

He's the guy, there's no getting around it, the team plays better with him, so my MO is as follows:

Build Uber-Team to support him, take it as far as it can go, and pray, yes PRAY LIKE YOU'VE NEVER PRAYED BEFORE, that guy who comes after him is FINALLY high-round, franchise material.

Yep; think long-term.

Over/Out!

Stayin'....RIGHT HERE.

Wurd.

Sully · 12-21-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Ummm.... Sucks/sucks less

Yes, it's close. And, again, I'd already addressed your argument in the earlier post. His post was just something close to somewhat illustrate the point.

I think maybe you're confused what "moving the goalposts" means.

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Sully · 12-21-2010, 05:16 PM

If I'm trying to become a "rich" man, and the threshold for "rich" for me is $5 m, and I start with $100,000 then earn another $3 m, based on my goals, I am still not "rich."
I am "less poor," to be sure. And to many people, $3.1m is "rich."
However, I have, in no way (not even close) moved the goalposts.

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**jjchieffan** · 12-22-2010, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sully

If I'm trying to become a "rich" man, and the threshold for "rich" for me is $5 m, and I start with $100,000 then earn another $3 m, based on my goals, I am still not "rich."
I am "less poor," to be sure. And to many people, $3.1m is "rich."
However, I have, in no way (not even close) moved the goalposts.

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Then perhaps you have set the goalposts unrealistically high to start with. Will you be satisfied with Cassel becoming anything short of Peyton Manning or Joe Montana? As much as I would love to have a HOF QB here in KC, the reality is that those QB's are rare. We have a QB that is showing the potential to be a top 10 QB in the league for several years to come. Will he? who knows, but he has shown as much or more potential than drafturbator favorites such as Sanchez and Clausen.

Sully · 12-22-2010, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Then perhaps you have set the goalposts unrealistically high to start with. Will you be satisfied with Cassel becoming anything short of Peyton Manning or Joe Montana? As much as I would love to have a HOF QB here in KC, the reality is that those QB's are rare. We have a QB that is showing the potential to be a top 10 QB in the league for several years to come. Will he? who knows, but he has shown as much or more potential than drafturbator favorites such as Sanchez and Clausen.

I'd argue that several people have set the bar too high. But, then again, it's hard to fault anyone for wanting the best.
I think there are more people who have set the bar too low, as well. For many, the bar sits just above putting on a helmet with an arrowhead decal.

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Sully · 12-22-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Are you being purposefully obtuse or is there a cognitive disconnect that is keeping you from understanding what hes talking about?

A lot of people, Madmax included, said this is a 4-6 win team at best. "I'll suck my own dick if we win 8 games".

The main issue is in August had you asked what do you want to see from MC to make you think he might be the answer at QB and they listed stats, games won etc, there's no way they would expect more than what he's done. Yet they refuse to look at MC and see any good. They refuse to give any credit because they are invested in being right. Dane and Milkman are logical thinkers. They were anti-Cassel and yet they see that he is possibly turning a corner and might be the answer. I feel the same way. Others have used pretexts to attempt to have a "logical reason" to continue to claim he sucks.

Bottom line if you are looking to find fault and place blame on MC he's an easy target but then so is every QB in the league Manning and Brady included.

I don't think I'm being obtuse at all.
I think if you can find evidence that someone "moved the goalposts" on Cassel, I'll be right alongside of you questioning their integrity.
I just haven't seen any, yet.

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Pasta Little Brioni · 12-22-2010, 10:40 AM

Hooray!!!! Another thread showing off the ignorance of B_Ambuehl

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-22-2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Hooray!!!! Another thread showing off the ignorance of B_Ambuehl

And don't forget the uber-annoying ass-hattery of JustFistingMyself!

BONUS!

CrazyHorse · 12-22-2010, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Against Seattle and Arizona?

From reading this board it sounds like Cassell just won the MVP trophy, but when I look at his stats for the last 2 football games this is what I find:

Denver: 17-31 196 1-0
St Louis: 15-29 184 1-1

That's barely 50% completion percentage against 2 shitty football teams WITH an outstanding running game behind him.

When I look at his record I don't think he's won a football game when he didn't get at least 140 rushing yards to support him.

The fact is Seattle and Arizona can make anybody look good. Hell, Alex Smith went for ~300 yds and 3 TDs last week vs Seattle.

At some point Casshole's gonna have to prove he can win a football game by himself without much of a running game against a good defense playing coverage. Opposing teams routinely sell out on the run when they face us. When you're only completing ~50% of your passes vs the kind of coverage he's been getting I think there are legitimate questions whether he's capable of doing that.

"But casshole is so tough and he's become a leader blah blah blah". ****ing trent dilfer was tough and a leader too. Doesn't make him a good QB. Hell, Tim Tebow's tough and a leader. Doesn't make him an NFL player.

Flame away.

So you're saying we should put in Brodie?

Brilliant.

**mlyonsd** · 12-22-2010, 09:10 PM

Uh, when you inherit a 2-14 team you've got so many problems you don't try and play craps trying to develop a QB right out of college. At least that's what I told Hunt and Pioli when they called asking for my input.

Sully · 12-22-2010, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

All you want is for us to ****ing develop a QB. That's it. You're so obsessed with that idea that your blinded by the fact that not all HOF QB's where drafted and 'developed' as you call it. There's lots of QB's who weren't top 10 draft picks who turned out GREAT in the NFL. Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Drew Brees.... The list goes on and on. Cassel is only getting better and better and either you get behind him or **** off. Simple.

Get behind him or **** off?
Really? That's what you're going with?

Wow.
Good stuff.

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