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[caffeinated_virus]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

I'd like to mention to Bolt fans, enthusiastic about Caldwell's return(same for Boerigter) that the first year of WRs and RBs coming back from an ACL is usually subpar. Rarely, is someone able to come back full speed in 1 year, if ever from an ACL. I had my knee done a couple of years ago this spring, and its not even close to "100%" of what it was.

Trent Dilfer had a good year too.........but no one mistook him for a great QB. It will be a miracle if there isn't a QB controversy in Eggo by mid year.

As much as i like Caldwell and think he has a ton of potential, I know how tough it his coming back from a ACL. I don't expect super numbers from Caldwell on his return.

If you don't mind me asking Iowanian, what is your take on Brees? What about Rivers? Your thoughts on what could happen with our QB spot?

I'm very curious to see Rivers play. Everything i've read sounds positive. He is big, 6'5" 230 pounds, very accurate (beyond the 15 yard range) and quick release. He also sounds like a gamer.

[caffeinated_virus]

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Soon defensive coordinators will figure out how to take advantage of Brees limits. Then the QB controversy will start because eventually Rivers will either have to start or leave so expect some ruff times ahead with the QB situation.

This is my fear exactly. Because of our simple offense, I think defensive coordinators can take away Gates (not shut him down, but limit him) and, just like you said, take advantage of Brees limitations. Gates is Brees main target and after that, it gets dicey. I don't think Brees has the ability to take over games or spread the ball around effectively to keep defenses on their heels. Just my thoughts though.

Wasn't it the arrival of McCardell that really triggered the offensive resergence of the short passing game? Plus, even if Marty had a receiver that was a true downfield threat I doubt he would use it. Just ask any Chiefs fan about the Joe Horn debacle. It was the Marty offensive philosophy not the QB and WR that prevented the development of the downfield passing game.

McCardell arrived after Caldwell went down. not sure if it triggered it as I see our current offense "vanilla." Our OC, Cameron, even simplified the playbook for Brees (not what I wanted to hear to be honest).

Anyway, we don't have a deep threat guy and even if we did, I seriously doubt it would help us. Not because Marty wouldnt use him, but because Brees doesn't throw the deep ball well.

[Iowanian]

Originally Posted by caffeinated_virus

If you don't mind me asking Iowanian, what is your take on Brees? What about Rivers? Your thoughts on what could happen with our QB spot?

I'm very curious to see Rivers play. Everything i've read sounds positive. He is big, 6'5" 230 pounds, very accurate (beyond the 15 yard range) and quick release. He also sounds like a gamer.

I'll disclaim that I'm no QB Expert, but from this fans couch, I'll give it my opinion.

Rivers first.
Like every first round QB taken in every draft, Phillip Rivers has the measurables. He's got the height, the frame, a strong arm. While suggest he has a quick release, I thought that was one of the knocks on him, that he had a odd delivery? He was a gamer in College for sure, and against an unmotivated KC defense, with a turd secondary, he was able to complete some passes....but Keep in Mind that Billy Volek and Drew Bennett looked like Marino to Duper vs the KC secondary...the worst in the league last year. For every Peyton Manning drafted high, there are 3 Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Cade McKnown's...........Until Rivers gets some significant playing time, there is no way of knowing if he's the next Dan Marino, Kyle Bowler or Todd Blackledge. I'm going to have to see it, to believe it.

Brees.
I said early in the offseason, that I wanted the Bolts to cut him. I couldn't imagine they could afford that much money to be tied up at 1 position on the team and remain competative. I think Brees has potential to be a successful QB in the West Coast offense, which relies more on timed swing passes, quick hitches, flares to backs, TE Seems and 10yd outs. With a good Offensive line and running game....he could be successful.

That said, I don't agree with you on his accuracy being great and think he's got a weak arm by NFL standards. I think beyond a 15yd out, he's reaching. His deep ball is ugly. In the right offense for his talents, and a simple offense, he can be effective.

I'd like to see him have a bad year, become a UFA, have KC sign him to an affordable contract to back up Green for a couple of years, and work under Terry Shea. It won't happen.......

What I see happening, is a Bolt team, opening the season against a very stout Dallas Secondary, Going to Denver, a cakewalk vs the Giants at home, and AT New England prior to Pittsburg.

Thats a schedule with some pretty tough Defenses in 4 of the first 5 weeks. thats a schedule that could easily have your team at 1-4 after week 5. Knowing fickle fans with high expectations....it'll start a QB controversy. Get out of that stretch at 4-1 or 3-2 and I'm a believer that the Eggos are a division contender this year. Then the Bolts go to Oakland and Philly. It could be a rude awakening if the Bolts aren't ready to go.

FWIW...the Chiefs don't start that much better.

[caffeinated_virus]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

I'll disclaim that I'm no QB Expert, but from this fans couch, I'll give it my opinion.

Rivers first.
Like every first round QB taken in every draft, Phillip Rivers has the measurables. He's got the height, the frame, a strong arm. While suggest he has a quick release, I thought that was one of the knocks on him, that he had a odd delivery? He was a gamer in College for sure, and against an unmotivated KC defense, with a turd secondary, he was able to complete some passes....but Keep in Mind that Billy Volek and Drew Bennett looked like Marino to Duper vs the KC secondary...the worst in the league last year. For every Peyton Manning drafted high, there are 3 Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Cade McKnown's...........Until Rivers gets some significant playing time, there is no way of knowing if he's the next Dan Marino, Kyle Bowler or Todd Blackledge. I'm going to have to see it, to believe it.

Brees.
I said early in the offseason, that I wanted the Bolts to cut him. I couldn't imagine they could afford that much money to be tied up at 1 position on the team and remain competative. I think Brees has potential to be a successful QB in the West Coast offense, which relies more on timed swing passes, quick hitches, flares to backs, TE Seems and 10yd outs. With a good Offensive line and running game....he could be successful.

Agreed. i think a lot of Charger fans are very anxious to see what we have in Rivers. the word is that the QB spot is up for grabs right now, with Brees having a slight advantage. TC should be interesting.

That said, I don't agree with you on his accuracy being great and think he's got a weak arm by NFL standards. I think beyond a 15yd out, he's reaching. His deep ball is ugly. In the right offense for his talents, and a simple offense, he can be effective.

Wrong guy. I think it was boltergeist who said he was very accurate. I'm on the otherside and agree with what you said. He is not accurate beyond 15 yards and his deep ball is, well, ugly.

I'd like to see him have a bad year, become a UFA, have KC sign him to an affordable contract to back up Green for a couple of years, and work under Terry Shea. It won't happen.......

heheh..who knows!

What I see happening, is a Bolt team, opening the season against a very stout Dallas Secondary, Going to Denver, a cakewalk vs the Giants at home, and AT New England prior to Pittsburg.

Thats a schedule with some pretty tough Defenses in 4 of the first 5 weeks. thats a schedule that could easily have your team at 1-4 after week 5. Knowing fickle fans with high expectations....it'll start a QB controversy. Get out of that stretch at 4-1 or 3-2 and I'm a believer that the Eggos are a division contender this year. Then the Bolts go to Oakland and Philly. It could be a rude awakening if the Bolts aren't ready to go.

Believe me, i've looked at our schedule and it is nothing but brutal. I think alot of Charger fans (and I don't speak for the whole lot) are completely overlooking teams that we shouldn't be:

-Dallas, after they draft they had, their defense is going to be extremely tough. Their secondary is very good. I expect their defense to be top 10.

-Denver, while I don't want to overlook them, we never beat them in their house. They have our number there.

-Giants, I hope we win.

-Pitt, will be very tough game indeed. #1 D last year and #1 against the run, our bread and butter.

Doesn't get much easier when we go to Philly, NE, Washington, NYJ and Indy. Lets not forget the 2 games against KC, and I think we will split.

FWIW...the Chiefs don't start that much better.

SHould be a heck of a battle forthe AFC West.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

Brees
I said early in the offseason, that I wanted the Bolts to cut him. I couldn't imagine they could afford that much money to be tied up at 1 position on the team and remain competative. I think Brees has potential to be a successful QB in the West Coast offense, which relies more on timed swing passes, quick hitches, flares to backs, TE Seems and 10yd outs. With a good Offensive line and running game....he could be successful.

Personally, because of his weak arm, I wouldn't want Brees.
He fits into what SD is doing on offense, but he wouldn't fit into KCs offense.
Our passing game is designed to stretch the field, passes that Brees doesn't have the arm strength to deliver.
Green's arm strength isn't great, but is much better than Brees.

I'd rather persue a Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, if either, or both are released after next season.

I think their ability to get the ball down the field fits much better.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by philfree

I don't know for sure but I don't think Marty was calling his own plays in the playoff games he's coached. I'll never be a Marty basher/hater. IMO he's a good coach but he hasn't won it all and that will be his legacy until he does.

PhilFree

Just another excuse.
Their playcalling is a direct reflection of Marty's play not to lose philosophy.
I'm betting it wasn't Cam Cameron's decision to protect the ball and set Kaeding up for that game losing 45 yd FG attempt.

That's all on Marty.
That's the Martyocre way.

[cool_brees]

Originally Posted by caffeinated_virus

Believe me, i've looked at our schedule and it is nothing but brutal. I think alot of Charger fans (and I don't speak for the whole lot) are completely overlooking teams that we shouldn't be:

-Dallas, after they draft they had, their defense is going to be extremely tough. Their secondary is very good. I expect their defense to be top 10.

-Denver, while I don't want to overlook them, we never beat them in their house. They have our number there.

-Giants, I hope we win.

-Pitt, will be very tough game indeed. #1 D last year and #1 against the run, our bread and butter.

Doesn't get much easier when we go to Philly, NE, Washington, NYJ and Indy. Lets not forget the 2 games against KC, and I think we will split.

The Chargers road schedule is brutal but actually I think it's a blessing in disguise. Having the tough games on the road might actually be a favorable thing. Road games are supposed to be tough in the first place while your home games are the ones that you must win. Actually, it's not so different than from last year. If the Chargers can take care of business at home, which on paper appears to be a strong possility, then they'll be in contention for the division title/wild card.

It's fun to discuss these things but we all know it's way too early to take an educated guess as to what will happen. A few teams will suprise and come out of nowhere and a few favorites will nosedive. We'll see how tough the respective schedules are come the start of the season.

As for Brees, I don't he has great accuracy in either the short or the long game; he's terribly inconsistent. There are times where he makes some amazing throws but there are times where he throws behind his receiver on a 5 yard pass. However, he is one of the most determined players that has come to the team in a while. He plays his heart out and has the will and the confidence to lead a team to a championship in my opinion. if you don't play with your heart, you won't stand a chance.

[Nightfyre]

I still can't believe a CHARGERS fan called scoreboard.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by caffeinated_virus

... Also, Brees does not throw the long ball well at all IMHO. The times he did throw the long ball, it was nothing pretty or to write home about and that is a big reason why we don't toss the long ball. ...

In the interest of full disclosure, Green doesn't throw the long ball very well either. He does get a few shots at it per game, but he is most successful when the offense tricks the defense (IOW Tony G draws the safety away) and he gets a guy deep who is wide open. Even then, he often either underthrows the pass causing the receiver to slow down to make the catch (which allows the defender to catch up) or he overthrows it and it drops incomplete. He does throw the moderately long pass down the middle to Tony G pretty well, but some of that can be attributed to Tony G's ability to make the catch even when the ball isn't perfectly targeted.

Green's key assets are his smarts and his leadership qualities.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by patteeu

In the interest of full disclosure, Green doesn't throw the long ball very well either. He does get a few shots at it per game, but he is most successful when the offense tricks the defense (IOW Tony G draws the safety away) and he gets a guy deep who is wide open. Even then, he often either underthrows the pass causing the receiver to slow down to make the catch (which allows the defender to catch up) or he overthrows it and it drops incomplete. He does throw the moderately long pass down the middle to Tony G pretty well, but some of that can be attributed to Tony G's ability to make the catch even when the ball isn't perfectly targeted.

Green's key assets are his smarts and his leadership qualities.

Kerry Collins throws a great deep ball. Who is the better NFL QB?

Nuff said.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by caffeinated_virus

Ugh, the long ball to Eric Parker against TB? You mean the one Brees completely underthrew and Parker had to stop, wait for it and in the process the DB fell down? Ya, I remember that one. That was a "gift".

It's funny that you say that. That's exactly the kind of long ball that Trent Green often throws. My fellow Chiefs fans may argue with my position that he doesn't throw the long ball that well because the Chiefs were at or near the top of the league in long pass completions, but I think that is because of our system (that keeps defenses off balance) rather than our talent (no one's going to confuse our WR's with TO, Torry Holt or Randy Moss anytime soon). Don't get me wrong though, I'm a big Trent Green fan.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by gochiefs

Kerry Collins throws a great deep ball. Who is the better NFL QB?

Nuff said.

We discussed this before. I'm a big Trent Green fan. I agree with the point you are making about Trent Green versus Kerry Collins completely.