Pit Bulls Break Into Home, Maul Woman

[wutamess]

VIDEO: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/...ull.attack.cnn

Isn't this technically a RE POST?
Seems we see something similar to this every week.
It's not the breed
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070822/D8R5QR1G1.html

GIG HARBOR, Wash. (AP) - Two pit bull terriers broke into a house through a pet door Tuesday and attacked a woman in her bed, mauling her badly, a Pierce County sheriff's spokesman said.

The woman was able to grab a gun and try to shoot the dogs, then break away from the attack and lock herself in her car, where she called 911, sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said.

The woman, who was not immediately identified, was taken to a hospital in Tacoma, where she was listed in serious condition.

Officers planned to talk to the dogs' owner.

The pit bulls also killed a neighbor's Jack Russell terrier, which entered the house during the attack, Troyer said.

"The thought is that the Jack Russell heard noise in the neighbor's house, came in and was attacked by the dogs," Troyer said.

Firefighters responded first, locking the dogs in the house, treating the woman and calling for an ambulance.

Officers "had to pepper spray and fight the dogs until they were detained. We almost had to shoot them on site," Troyer said.

The dogs were taken to a Humane Society and will probably be destroyed, he said.

It was not immediately known why the dogs entered the house, whether the woman had dogs of her own or what set off the attack.

[funkdub]

yeah that's generally how it goes- the haters come on, spew thier (i before e rule) regurgitated uninformed crap, then split when actual facts are introduced.

[Donger]

I love dogs, and I see both sides of this issue. But, it bothers me (and should bother everyone else) when I hear owners say, "Oh, MY dog would NEVER do that!"

. It's an animal with a mind of its own.

[kepp]

Originally Posted by funkdub

yeah that's generally how it goes- the haters come on, spew thier (i before e rule) regurgitated uninformed crap, then split when actual facts are introduced.

I can see both sides of the coin. I think that a good portion of the problem comes from the owners. In my mind though, the attacks from the 16% of failing pit bulls are far more dangerous than the attacks of the 16% of failing golden retrievers. Is this flawed thinking?

[unlurking]

Originally Posted by funkdub

yeah that's generally how it goes- the haters come on, spew thier (i before e rule) regurgitated uninformed crap, then split when actual facts are introduced.

You might want to go back and read the stats morphius posted.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by funkdub

yeah that's generally how it goes- the haters come on, spew thier (i before e rule) regurgitated uninformed crap, then split when actual facts are introduced.

You'll change your tune when pitbulls eat Philip Rivers while he is on his way to the stadium one day.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

We don't want to hear facts dude. We want to hear some sensationalism brought to us by some fat pud named facade (frazod)that rolled out of pizza roll box talking about how owners are trailor park trash thugs with a penis complex. What would we do without tuff guys like that?

Hey facade do you wack the pud you can't even see when you post this shit?

You still crying?

Big Daddy wants to kick my ass, but only after he's had his organic mango smoothie and a manicure.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by frazod

You still crying?

Big Daddy wants to kick my ass, but only after he's had his organic mango smoothie and a manicure.

[funkdub]

Unlurking- Thanks for the tip on the stats previously posted, as mentioned, didn't read through the whole thread. While there are stats there, and I can't argue with how they were apparently collected (I read the study through the link posted), there are also opinions of the author- i.e. what to do about it. The CDC did a study that showed much the same in terms of stats, but their conclusions were that breed specific laws were not practical and that laws should be focused on the owners. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00047723.htm
Couldn't find link to study I was referring to but this link discusses that study. The thing I like about the CDC study is that they get into more detail than the one posted- was the dog freely roaming the street, was the dog tied up on a chain, etc.- clues that indicate what type of owners are involved.

Kepp- I don't think that is flawed thinking at all. Dogs with potential to do more damage will do more damage if an incident occurs. Just like sharp scissors will cut more than plastic rounded scissors. But does that mean we should ban all sharp scissors or just that people who use sharp scissors should be responsible about the risk involved and how to minimize it?

Arc- Philip Rivers eats pit bulls on his way to the stadium. Man, we could be best friends, I live in Eugene- Go Ducks!!

[funkdub]

For what it is worth, I used to not like pit bulls based on their rep through the media. I was reading a thread one day much like this one and noticed that the people who had actual experience with the dogs had good things to say while those without experience would say things like "why not just own a great white shark". I then went and researched for myself and totally changed my opinion. After talking to owners, breeders, people at the pound (they get alot of pit bulls so are a good resource), my vet (nothing but good things to say about them), I got one of my own 3 years ago. Best dog I've ever had.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by funkdub

Man, we could be best friends, I live in Eugene- Go Ducks!!

Man, that just took you off my Christmas card list.

Go Beavers!

[Groves]

I dunno, these TWO dogs couldn't even take out a sleeping middle aged woman, how tough can they be?

[morphius]

Wow, I looked at the report again.

Attacks Doing Harm
Pitt Bull Terrier 1110
All other dogs combined 1101

Maulings
Pitt Bull Terrier 608
All other dogs combined 616

Just as a note the stats are from U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006.

As I have said, the things that bother me are the facts that most of the time the attacks were the first time the dog had showed that kind of aggression, and it seems that when most dogs do it they bite and leave, but the Pit just sticks with it and keeps attacking.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by morphius

Earlier in the thread I asked about breeds most like to Maul versus a bit, as I believed that any dog can bite, but a single bite isn't that big of a deal. Well, since Big Daddy is proud of his bite stats, here is the mauling stats...



http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html

I would need to look into these stats a little more and I have very limited time today. Casual observation makes me note that this sight hates dogs and is trying to create fear. I like how they take all medical stats on dog bites and then take it upon themself to times that by 6 to get the actual amount per year. OK I also tried to look at one of the reports they are pimping and it's nothing more than an exel document. One of the other sights they use really does address one of the issues:

http://www.dogexpert.com/FatalDogAtt...ogattacks.html

"Problems with American pit bull terrier identification"). Note that a pit bull is not a breed of dog, but instead the term has come to be widely used to describe a dog that has an appearance similar to a American Pit Bull terrier of American Staffordshire terrier. In some cases a dog described as a pit bull may in fact be an American Staff (AKC recognized) or an American Pit Bull (UKC recognized), but in other cases it may not. Since other breeds of dog physically resemble these breeds, mistaken identity is frequntly made and consequently numbers are inflated for the number of attacks involving so-called "pit bulls". Further, correct breed identification becomes more problematic when the dog involved in an attack is a mixed-breed. Hence, ambiguity exists when using the term "pit bull". As stated above, there is no such breed as a pit bull. Dr. Polsky discourages and specifically requests that statistics on this site not be used to suppport breed specific legislation.

Gotta love the picture too. For the record there are 80,000,000 dogs in this country and only 9 people have died from dogs this year. I wonder how many home invasions, rapes, robberies and murders were stopped because of dogs in general. Mine already stopped an attempted burglary in my last house I posted on the planet a couple years ago when it happened.

[HonestChieffan]

The thread lives on....

[BIG_DADDY]

Oh I love this one:

Three commonly accepted sources of information about canine homicides are the CDC, Merritt Clifton (editor of Animal People), and Karen Delise (author of Fatal Dog Attacks).

Absolute horseshit. Merritt Clifton and Karen Delise? I have been around BSL a lot and have never seen either of these people's stats quoted by anyone on either side of the issue. Notice their numbers are always inflated?

Just out of curiosity I would like to know someone who was bitten just so I can find out if they asked all the questions necessary to come up with all these stats they claim to have. I have never been bitten but I just can't see people going to a doctor and having every one of them ask the person specifically what breed did this and was this the first sign of aggression the dog ever had. I also can't see ever one of them or any one of them varifying the breed and reporting it to an agency that tracks all these stats.