Chiefs Let's face facts: we're going to have to bonus-up on Matt Cassel. - Page 12

Direckshun · 11-11-2010, 07:41 PM

There's been a few conversations this season that keep asking the question "if we don't drop Cassel to get out of the bonus he's due..."

I mean, just stop. Cassel will survive the offseason and will likely be our starter next year.

Even if Pioli and Haley understood what we all know to be true, which is that Cassel is not that answer and is not a franchise QB, than acquiring one is damn near impossible.

Who would be available this offseason? A few stopgaps, none of them franchise guys. (A thread will no doubt be started about McNabb, but he's not a Pioli guy.) And we'll be too busy looking for a backup QB anyway when we let Croyle go -- and we don't even have a third stringer to fall back on.

The #1 opportunity we have at a franchise QB is to reach for a second-round quality guy with high character with our mid-to-late pick in the first round to ensure we don't get leapfrogged.

Christian Ponder (Florida State)
Nick Foles (Arizona)
Nathan Enderle (Idaho)

Somebody like that is the only chance this team has at a young, franchise guy, and that is the only way we are acquiring him.

And there's the catch -- even if we acquire a guy like that, we still need Cassel because rookie QBs almost never start from the first game. Cassel can be a valuable backup, and a stopgap while the rookie takes his time to get the system down. Cassel, in the mean time, will never be a drag in the locker room, so Haley and Pioli will hang on to him for the versatility he provides to their QB decisions.

Even if the stud does start right away, and Cassel really does get the shaft from Day One of the 2011 season, he is a guy who will always do what he's asked and will do it the best he can, which the staff obviously values above all else. And as fans, we should value that as well.

Like or dislike Cassel, he's got an arrowhead on the side of his helmet for a few more years. In what capacity, we don't know.

CrazyHorse · 11-13-2010, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ROR

Damn good comparison.

Not really. Johnson thought he was an athletic Doug Flutie type. He just ran around holding the ball until someone tackled him.

The arm strength thing with Cassel isn't accurate. Everything he throws is a rocket. Too hard, and too low. He lacks touch on the ball which is why he has such accuracy problems.

He's like the guy you play pool with that hit every shot like he's trying to kill it. Cassel has no problem with throwing the ball far. He's just cant do it with accuracy.

**Ming the Merciless** · 11-13-2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ROR

I don't want to get rid of him right now.

That is a lie

I want to get rid of him at the end of this season instead of trying to put other pieces around his piece of shit ass. If you can't see that, you can't read English.

If you think that is happening youre a ****ign reerun

And, well, you either suck at evaluating QB play or you're completely dishonest, or your and idiot.

I never claimed anything about his play other than he is not "embarassingly bad." He is having a mediocre season so far that has the potential to be decent....Perhaps YOU are the one who is dishonest? "emabarrasingly bad" is pretty bad.....I know it is subjective....so I will just agree to disagree with you, but I would not use the term 'embarrassingly bad" on his season at this point. Just his QB rating and TD to INT ratio and wins would be enough to prevent me from being "embarrassed." I really think you are being overly dramatic and unrealistic....And that is why you are going to be so upset when he is our QB for AT LEAST 2011...You should come to terms with that. I have never EVER said he is a great QB....But saying he is "embarrassingly bad" is just as dishonest as saying he is a stud IMO. Both positions are undefendable in my mind. To say that your OPINION that matt castle is "embarassingly bad" is somehow a fact just shows how simple minded you are.

Reerun_KC · 11-13-2010, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ROR

You think he's that awesome? Good for you and Pawnloser!

ROR = reading comprehension failure...

Your and idoit if you think Cassel is awesome...

Pioli Zombie · 11-13-2010, 10:56 PM

Urine ityit iv u thik Mattel Cass flings poo aquirtly.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-13-2010, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I never claimed anything about his play other than he is not "embarassingly bad." He is having a mediocre season so far that has the potential to be decent....Perhaps YOU are the one who is dishonest? "emabarrasingly bad" is pretty bad.....I know it is subjective....so I will just agree to disagree with you, but I would not use the term 'embarrassingly bad" on his season at this point. Just his QB rating and TD to INT ratio and wins would be enough to prevent me from being "embarrassed." I really think you are being overly dramatic and unrealistic....And that is why you are going to be so upset when he is our QB for AT LEAST 2011...You should come to terms with that. I have never EVER said he is a great QB....But saying he is "embarrassingly bad" is just as dishonest as saying he is a stud IMO. Both positions are undefendable in my mind. To say that your OPINION that matt castle is "embarassingly bad" is somehow a fact just shows how simple minded you are.

We have no other options at the moment, so I am NOT lying.

If we stick with that piece if shit, we DESERVE to get our asses handed to us when we need precision QB play. Period.
Do you actually watch this guy play?

**Ming the Merciless** · 11-14-2010, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROR

If we stick with that piece if shit, we DESERVE to get our asses handed to us when we need precision QB play. Period.
Do you actually watch this guy play?

Yes , I do. And I do not see "embarrassingly bad." I also dont see us getting our asses handed to us. I see us getting stronger and better. You are an overly dramatic cu nt who is exaggerating and completely unrealistic. Why would we 'deserve' to lose if we keep a player you don't like on the squad? Why do you think you know more than Pioli?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-14-2010, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Yes , I do. And I do not see "embarrassingly bad." I also dont see us getting our asses handed to us. I see us getting stronger and better. You are an overly dramatic cu nt who is exaggerating and completely unrealistic. Why would we 'deserve' to lose if we keep a player you don't like on the squad? Why do you think you know more than Pioli?

HAHAHAHAHAHA and there it is. "DO YOU THINK YOUZ KNOWZ MORE THAN PIOLI"?

In this case, you bet your ****ing ass I do, as well as ANYONE WHO WATCHES OR ANALYZES CHIEFS FOOTBALL DOES.

Dense = YOU.

Tell me; how do you manage to enjoy a beverage on game day Sunday with a turd-polishing rag in one hand, and a chin-wiping rag in the other?

Quote:

"Matt Cassel: Dinking, Dunking, and Shitting His Pants All The Way To Yearly First-Round Losses".

Yay!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-14-2010, 07:59 AM

And when the **** did I EVER use the phrase "embarrassingly bad"?

"Not enough talent" is both factual and works great in this situation.

Thx/Bye!@

Hammock Parties · 11-14-2010, 08:01 AM

People don't even realize what's in store for Cassel. I have a feeling he's only going to get worse this year.

He was very lucky the refs helped him out in Oakland, or we would have been embarrassed.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-14-2010, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

People don't even realize what's in store for Cassel. I have a feeling he's only going to get worse this year.

He was very lucky the refs helped him out in Oakland, or we would have been embarrassed.

Matt Cassel will the starting QB next season.

I hope I'm wrong.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-14-2010, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

People don't even realize what's in store for Cassel. I have a feeling he's only going to get worse this year.

He was very lucky the refs helped him out in Oakland, or we would have been embarrassed.

Let's hearken back to Sesame Street for a moment, shall we?

Ahem:

"52 of these things be-long to-gether,
One of these things does NOT be-long"...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-14-2010, 08:27 AM

The long-term forecast for posts by dedicated Cassholes:

This Season:

"Now that we have a decent line, I see MUCH improvement in Cassel"! "It's really like this is his first season as a Chief, really". "When you think about it".
(ass kicked in Wild Card)

Next Season:

"Now that we have a true #1 WR, I see MUCH improvement in Cassel"! "With the improved line and aforementioned WR, it really IS like his first season as a Chief if you compare it to what he had in New England" "Really, if you think about it".
(ass decimated in first-round loss)

Two Years From Now:

"Now that we've put together exactly what Cassel had in New England, it REALLY IZ LIKE HIS FIRST SEAZON AS A CHIEF, IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT"! "MUCH IMPROVEZMENT, AND CASSEL REALLY IZ TEH FRANCHIZE QUARTERBACK"!

(Once again, ass completely beaten like a red headed stepchild in rounds one or two; lather, rinse, repeat)

**Bane** · 11-14-2010, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROR

The long-term forecast for posts by dedicated Cassholes:

This Season:

"Now that we have a decent line, I see MUCH improvement in Cassel"! "It's really like this is his first season as a Chief, really". "When you think about it".
(ass kicked in Wild Card)

Next Season:

"Now that we have a true #1 WR, I see MUCH improvement in Cassel"! "With the improved line and aforementioned WR, it really IS like his first season as a Chief if you compare it to what he had in New England" "Really, if you think about it".
(ass decimated in first-round loss)

Two Years From Now:

"Now that we've put together exactly what Cassel had in New England, it REALLY IZ LIKE HIS FIRST SEAZON AS A CHIEF, IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT"! "MUCH IMPROVEZMENT, AND CASSEL REALLY IZ TEH FRANCHIZE QUARTERBACK"!

(Once again, ass completely beaten like a red headed stepchild in rounds one or two; lather, rinse, repeat)

**Ming the Merciless** · 11-14-2010, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROR

you bet your ****ing ass I [know more than Scott Pioli]

Thanks for the new sig!

It will keep me smiling for a long time.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-14-2010, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Thanks for the new sig!

It will keep me smiling for a long time.

Master of context I see.

11-11-2010, 07:41 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4093447	Let's face facts: we're going to have to bonus-up on Matt Cassel. There's been a few conversations this season that keep asking the question "if we don't drop Cassel to get out of the bonus he's due..." I mean, just stop. Cassel will survive the offseason and will likely be our starter next year. Even if Pioli and Haley understood what we all know to be true, which is that Cassel is not that answer and is not a franchise QB, than acquiring one is damn near impossible. Who would be available this offseason? A few stopgaps, none of them franchise guys. (A thread will no doubt be started about McNabb, but he's not a Pioli guy.) And we'll be too busy looking for a backup QB anyway when we let Croyle go -- and we don't even have a third stringer to fall back on. The #1 opportunity we have at a franchise QB is to reach for a second-round quality guy with high character with our mid-to-late pick in the first round to ensure we don't get leapfrogged. Christian Ponder (Florida State) Nick Foles (Arizona) Nathan Enderle (Idaho) Somebody like that is the only chance this team has at a young, franchise guy, and that is the only way we are acquiring him. And there's the catch -- even if we acquire a guy like that, we still need Cassel because rookie QBs almost never start from the first game. Cassel can be a valuable backup, and a stopgap while the rookie takes his time to get the system down. Cassel, in the mean time, will never be a drag in the locker room, so Haley and Pioli will hang on to him for the versatility he provides to their QB decisions. Even if the stud does start right away, and Cassel really does get the shaft from Day One of the 2011 season, he is a guy who will always do what he's asked and will do it the best he can, which the staff obviously values above all else. And as fans, we should value that as well. Like or dislike Cassel, he's got an arrowhead on the side of his helmet for a few more years. In what capacity, we don't know.
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Sweet Daddy Hate Unsparing Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	And when the ** did I EVER use the phrase "embarrassingly bad"? "Not enough talent" is both factual and works great in this situation. Thx/Bye!@ __________________ 1. Merciless, severe. 2. Given freely and generously. 100% refusal to overrate 20 year Head Coaches with ZERO ing rings as a Head Coach. CP's Official Professor of 'Dem Blues for 2019/2020!**
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Sweet Daddy Hate Unsparing Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	The long-term forecast for posts by dedicated Cassholes: This Season: "Now that we have a decent line, I see MUCH improvement in Cassel"! "It's really like this is his first season as a Chief, really". "When you think about it". (ass kicked in Wild Card) Next Season: "Now that we have a true #1 WR, I see MUCH improvement in Cassel"! "With the improved line and aforementioned WR, it really IS like his first season as a Chief if you compare it to what he had in New England" "Really, if you think about it". (ass decimated in first-round loss) Two Years From Now: "Now that we've put together exactly what Cassel had in New England, it REALLY IZ LIKE HIS FIRST SEAZON AS A CHIEF, IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT"! "MUCH IMPROVEZMENT, AND CASSEL REALLY IZ TEH FRANCHIZE QUARTERBACK"! (Once again, ass completely beaten like a red headed stepchild in rounds one or two; lather, rinse, repeat) __________________ 1. Merciless, severe. 2. Given freely and generously. 100% refusal to overrate 20 year Head Coaches with ZERO **ing rings as a Head Coach. CP's Official Professor of 'Dem Blues for 2019/2020!**
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