Chiefs Great news on CBA - Page 12

ShowtimeSBMVP · 03-01-2011, 05:47 PM

SI_PeterKing Peter King
For fb fans, Doty's ruling that NFL can't use $4B in TV money for '11 expenses during lockout is gd news. Could push sides to legit talks.

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Doty ruled for Players in TV Case. Overturned Burbank's Decision. All TV Contracts violate CBA. Separate earing to come on the damages.

Amnorix · 03-02-2011, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The owners have a poor record in court.

They should be motivated to negotiate in good faith, because they really don't have a chance at winning in court if the players file a lawsuit.

My understanding is that the NFL has had the same judge to deal with since 1993, and he's pro-union. Bad luck for them.

Amnorix · 03-02-2011, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

There wasn't a cap this year. And look at the teams that have spent money on FAs. How have they turned out? How amazing are the Redskins? Look at the Steelers, Colts and Packers. They've signed maybe a handful of FAs over the years.

Not much of an argument, really.

1. small sample size.

2. many teams feared to really spend in 2010 because they were fairly convinced that a cap would be reinstituted in 2011 and whatever (over)spending was done in 2010 might somehow be penalized going forward.

Amnorix · 03-02-2011, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Until the NFL abolishes revenue sharing, your fears are completely unwarranted and of course, irrelevant.

That's true, but if the owners can't have reasonably guaranteed fixed costs, it may well turn out to be more of an every man for himself scenario, in which case revenue sharing might go out the door. The NFL, comprised of incredibly wealthy capitalists, has decided to run a socialist system for many years, which in this case has worked out much to everyone's benefit.

I think there are certainly many things about the NFL that wouldn't lead to the gross revenue disparities that we see in baseball. It's unlikely, for example, that the NFL could do the individualized television contracts that the teams in baseball do, which is one of, if not THE most significant source of revenue disparity in baseball.

**Dave Lane** · 03-02-2011, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

What are the players asking for in addition to what they already have?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/images/smilies/evil.gif

Word comprehension on anything that involves "people" getting more money and corporations possibly getting less is complete fail with Vail.

**Dave Lane** · 03-02-2011, 07:17 AM

I think he should volunteer 20% of his salary back to his employer just because.

Skyy God · 03-02-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

First, just to lay it out there as a reminder: There's already a rookie cap, although it's obviously flawed. Now, on to a direct response.

Bad teams end up with top picks. Bad teams often have bad drafting as a major part of the problem. That's why the same teams are drafting high time and again. Nobody put a gun to Al Davis' head and made him draft JaMarcus Russell. He could have drafted Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas or Adrian Peterson. There's not a whole lot of griping that those players are overpaid and are killing the league's salary structure.

The root problem isn't high salaries at the top. The root problem is shitty drafting at the top (there is the occasional terrible draft at the top which requires paying lesser players at the rates of the current rookie cap, but that'll be there no matter what salary structure is in place). It's not that the salaries couldn't stand being adjusted, but it's been given far more weight and attention than it merits.

Which, to some extent, a rookie wage scale addresses. Teams that make shitty picks at 1-7 will face less of a salary cap hit from their busts.

All things being equal, it will increase "parody" in the league.

Just Passin' By · 03-02-2011, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pittsie

Which, to some extent, a rookie wage scale addresses. Teams that make shitty picks at 1-7 will face less of a salary cap hit from their busts.

All things being equal, it will increase "parody" in the league.

Adjusting the rookie cap would address it too, as would teams deciding not to circumvent the spirit of the cap in the first place. I don't see those on the table, though.

And, frankly, if the Lions want to take WRs with a top 10 pick 4 times in 5 years, and screw it up with 3 of those 4 picks, why should they not get punished for that sort of stupidity?

Skyy God · 03-02-2011, 03:36 PM

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We don’t typically bestow our pointless awards during the off-season, but sometimes extraordinary circumstances force us to action. In this case, the action of celebrating things that please us.

With that awkward preface out of the way, your Meast for this week is U.S. District Judge David Doty, who yesterday struck down an earlier, shittier court decision that would have allowed the fat, stupid asshole NFL owners to sit on a $4 billion war chest of funds acquired through questionable agreements with the television networks. While this certainly doesn’t eliminate the chance that a lockout will be imposed later this week, it does mean that the owners now actually have an incentive to get a deal done some time before next year now that their precious lockout insurance has been swept out from under them.

So you go, crusty old white guy. This next ginger snap is in your honor. After all, I can say without qualm that this towering feat of jurisprudence is more significant than Brown v. the Board of Education, Mapp v. Ohio and Loving v. Virginia combined.

That is, it would be, if only it weren’t carried out by the most impartial labor advocate on the federal bench. PK will tell you. ACTIVIST JUDGE! ACTIVIST JUDGE! ACTIVIST JUDGE!

[tweets omitted]

Yes, the fact that we need to tailor the Constitution so that Goodell’s supreme executive power can no longer be undermined by the courts. NOBODY ELECTED YOU, DOTY. GOODELL WAS ELECTED BY A UNANIMOUS 32-0 TALLY BY THE OWNERS IN 2006. WITH THAT KIND OF MANDATE, HE IS FREE TO STEAMROLL THE PLAYERS UNION AT HIS WHIM!

Your Least for this week is THE NETWORKS! You goddamn enabling little shits. Despite misgivings over the NFL’s intent, each signed off on deals that would have provided the league its broadcasting money even in the event on a lockout throughout the 2011 season. Sure, most of the networks would get the money paid back to them in full and a lower overall price, but why is it worth taking that hit? Even in the best of conditions, each network loses millions broadcasting the NFL. Why let the league ride roughshod over you like that?

DirecTV was the worst offender of all. According to the deal they signed with the NFL in 2008, 42 percent of their fees for the 2011 season were nonrefundable, EVEN IF THE 2011 SEASON NEVER HAPPENS. Worse still, the company would have to pay up to a nine percent premium if the season in canceled. The **** is that? How has the CEO not been fired? I realize Sunday Ticket is a huge part of their appeal for drawing new customers. That must be why a subscription costs about as much as a semester in college, seeing as how the company is comfortable giving away half its huge yearly commitment to the NFL for NOTHING. REFUND ME HALF MY BILL, YOU MISMANAGED ****S.

Skyy God · 03-02-2011, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Adjusting the rookie cap would address it too, as would teams deciding not to circumvent the spirit of the cap in the first place. I don't see those on the table, though.

And, frankly, if the Lions want to take WRs with a top 10 pick 4 times in 5 years, and screw it up with 3 of those 4 picks, why should they not get punished for that sort of stupidity?

Those alternatives could very well be on the table and we're just not privy to the negotiating positions.

Re the Lions, they're already punished by missing on players that would improve the team. FWIW, I don't see reducing the rookie cap (or whatever method transfers more revenue from rookies to vets) having a meaningful impact on competitiveness. Good teams will still manage their cap efficiently, keeping most quality FAs off the market.

It's more of an equity issue.

Titty Meat · 03-02-2011, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Not much of an argument, really.

1. small sample size.

2. many teams feared to really spend in 2010 because they were fairly convinced that a cap would be reinstituted in 2011 and whatever (over)spending was done in 2010 might somehow be penalized going forward.

I disagree. It looks like the owners have had their mind made up for sometime on what they were going to do with the CBA.

Skyy God · 03-02-2011, 04:18 PM

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kcfanXIII · 03-02-2011, 06:13 PM

Laz, Im gonna be your boss for a second here. I know when you were hired we had an agreement that i would pay you X amount. Now I understand you have made me more money in the past few years then an average person makes in a lifetime. And i know your career expectancy is only about as long as most people spend in college and when you retire you have a lifetime of arthritis and pain to look forward to. See i don't like our agreement, and even though i own a private jet i can't afford to fly anywhere. So you and all your coworkers are gonna take a 20% paycut.

You would take my ass to court too.

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