NFL Draft Draft Rumors - Page 12

locomoulds · 04-25-2012, 06:37 AM

Didn't see this posted

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/

They say top 5 is shaping up to this:

1) Luck
2) RG3
3)Claiborne
4) Richardson
5)Kuechly

Also, Mark Barron is getting a ton of play. The Chargers and Cowboys are both interested in trading up to get him. The Bills are supposed to be real interested in taking him at 10.

Kalil just might fall to the Chiefs pick! I think that would be a no brainer in my mind.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2012, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Exactly. We aren't going to ask that guy to rush the passer, whether it's Brockers, Tjax, Dorsey, or anyone else.

Which is why that position should never be filled with an early pick.

You can find one-dimensional slapdicks to be space eaters anywhere.

**BossChief** · 04-25-2012, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Which is why that position should never be filled with an early pick.

You can find one-dimensional slapdicks to be space eaters anywhere.

This.

Shit, you can probably get Crick in the 3rd or 4th round and have a good player that does everything this defense asks of it's 5-techs

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-25-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Which is why that position should never be filled with an early pick.

You can find one-dimensional slapdicks to be space eaters anywhere.

Heh. Try telling that to DJs left nut and a few others.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

This.

Shit, you can probably get Crick in the 3rd or 4th round and have a good player that does everything this defense asks of it's 5-techs

This.

qabbaan · 04-26-2012, 08:25 AM

Floyd would be an interesting pick. But again, I'm never going to get excited about drafting ILBs or interior linemen with high first round choices.

DJ's left nut · 04-26-2012, 08:44 AM

You guys are exactly right.

There is no difference between what RAC did with Richard Seymour and Ty Warren vs. what he does with Glen Dorsey at all.

None.

We don't ask Dorsey to do more than take up space because he can't do more than take up space. If he could, we'd absolutely use him differently. He still wouldn't be asked to split gaps, but he would be asked to push the pocket back and collapse it through force or otherwise.

The only way you can make the argument that 'all it takes is a slapdick to run the 5-tech for RAC' is to ignore everything he's ever done when he's actually had talented 5-techs.

But try asking Dave to actually engage his brain and make an argument for himself...

Direckshun · 04-26-2012, 08:49 AM

I don't understand why some people on this board devalue the DE in this defense.

The DE has to occupy bigger, stronger, more athletic OL and is responsible for more space than the NT is.

The defensive line in absolutely every defensive scheme is the second-most important position on a football team other than QB (maybe LT, too). To think our defense is the exception to that rule is assinine.

DJ's left nut · 04-26-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I don't understand why some people on this board devalue the DE in this defense.

The DE has to occupy bigger, stronger, more athletic OL and is responsible for more space than the NT is.

The defensive line in absolutely every defensive scheme is the second-most important position on a football team other than QB (maybe LT, too). To think our defense is the exception to that rule is assinine.

3 years ago I did the same thing. It was the cool thing to do.

But I don't see how anyone can have watched this defense operate for 3 seasons and still not realize the importance of the position. The more I watch it operate, the more I realize that having a strong pair of DEs in this system is probably just as important as the NT. I'd have never thought that had I not seen it in action.

Is everyone really just going to ignore the fact that our defense was easily at its best when Jackson really got up to speed in the 2nd half? Or that Houston didn't truly take off until Jackson was being more aggressive?

I'm not saying you have to have a bunch of superstar DEs in this defense to succeed - you can make due with a Dorsey or a Crick. But as Saul (I think...maybe SNR) has pointed out several times now - the Chiefs have a legitimate starting caliber player at virtually every single position on the team except QB (and potentially NT). There isn't a truly critical 'need' that is able to be addressed in this draft unless Tannehill falls.

It's a matter of finding players that are optimal fits for this defense and upgrades on what we have. Kuechly isn't that guy. Barron is closer in that he does fit the defense, but I don't see Lewis as a weak point in the D. Brockers, OTOH, fits the defense even better than Barron and can upgrade on Dorsey who I do see as a weak point in the defense.

Direckshun · 04-26-2012, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

3 years ago I did the same thing. It was the cool thing to do.

But I don't see how anyone can have watched this defense operate for 3 seasons and still not realize the importance of the position. The more I watch it operate, the more I realize that having a strong pair of DEs in this system is probably just as important as the NT. I'd have never thought that had I not seen it in action.

Is everyone really just going to ignore the fact that our defense was easily at its best when Jackson really got up to speed in the 2nd half? Or that Houston didn't truly take off until Jackson was being more aggressive?

I'm not saying you have to have a bunch of superstar DEs in this defense to succeed - you can make due with a Dorsey or a Crick. But as Saul (I think...maybe SNR) has pointed out several times now - the Chiefs have a legitimate starting caliber player at virtually every single position on the team except QB (and potentially NT). There isn't a truly critical 'need' that is able to be addressed in this draft unless Tannehill falls.

It's a matter of finding players that are optimal fits for this defense and upgrades on what we have. Kuechly isn't that guy. Barron is closer in that he does fit the defense, but I don't see Lewis as a weak point in the D. Brockers, OTOH, fits the defense even better than Barron and can upgrade on Dorsey who I do see as a weak point in the defense.

I gotta spread rep around before I can give any to you again.

So, stop saying things I agree with wholeheartedly until I do.

King_Chief_Fan · 04-26-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Tannehill is NOT getting past Miami.

I hope you are right

kchero · 04-26-2012, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

I hope you are right

x2

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-26-2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

I hope you are right

I'd be shocked if they pass on him.

King_Chief_Fan · 04-26-2012, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

I'd be shocked if they pass on him.

me too. that is why I hope he will be gone

Bewbies · 04-26-2012, 10:16 AM

I don't think Pioli would be drafting 5 techs high if the value of the position to our team wasn't off the charts. They took 5 techs high in NE as well.

Quesadilla Joe · 04-26-2012, 10:20 AM

Hearing #Broncos have Lamar Miller much higher on their board than anyone else. Keep an eye on him.

https://twitter.com/#!/nfldraftscout...47381046054912

04-25-2012, 06:37 AM
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04-26-2012, 08:44 AM	#171
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2519099	You guys are exactly right. There is no difference between what RAC did with Richard Seymour and Ty Warren vs. what he does with Glen Dorsey at all. None. We don't ask Dorsey to do more than take up space because he can't do more than take up space. If he could, we'd absolutely use him differently. He still wouldn't be asked to split gaps, but he would be asked to push the pocket back and collapse it through force or otherwise. The only way you can make the argument that 'all it takes is a slapdick to run the 5-tech for RAC' is to ignore everything he's ever done when he's actually had talented 5-techs. But try asking Dave to actually engage his brain and make an argument for himself... __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4133447	I don't understand why some people on this board devalue the DE in this defense. The DE has to occupy bigger, stronger, more athletic OL and is responsible for more space than the NT is. The defensive line in absolutely every defensive scheme is the second-most important position on a football team other than QB (maybe LT, too). To think our defense is the exception to that rule is assinine.
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