Rumor: Chiefs are signing Hollywood Brown

[staylor26]

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— Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) March 13, 2024

This dude has been batting 1.000. Very likely legit.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Right.

The problem with the "MVS role" is that in 2023 he sucked at it so it simply became nothing.

The risk is that if you were to fill that role with, say, Hardman - you have a real risk of it falling into nothingness again and we have the same shitshow we dealt with over the middle 2/3 of the season last year.

You're paying Brown (if you're paying Brown) for risk mitigation and little else. Yes, it's possible that Hardman COULD ascend into that role and do it well for less money. Or that a 2nd or 3rd round pick could.

Or that Wanya Morris could become a viable starting LT.

But that doesn't mean you don't go ahead and put a few bucks on the table here and there if/when you have a chance to mitigate the risk that those guys DON'T manage that trick.

Saw your posts, and it's good data. No doubt. I'd like to know how an off target throw is defined, but...

Why isn't this bad QB play seem to be affecting the other WR's on the team?

Hopkins accomplished more in 2022 in 3 fewer games.

Michael Wilson came up 9 yards short last year in one less game and on 45 fewer targets.

These QB's are only missing Brown? Seems unlikely.

If you would, I'd like you to comment on my posts last night about Donovan Peoples Jones - if you watched him in Cleveland (talk about shitty QB play) the dude has great hands, gets open a lot in the intermediate area and can stretch the field.

He's a better version of 2022 MVS and would be a HELLUVA lot cheaper than Hollywood. Lot of big 3rd down catches on that tape.

[O.city]

If they sign Brown, I'd be more inclined to swing big for a Leggette and see what he can develop into.

If no Brown, I'd need someone a bit more pro ready.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

It's better than nothing, but Samuel doesn't really move me. Would we squeeze some production out of him? Yeah, I think. But does it clarify needs in the draft at all? I don't really think so.

He's a #3. HB is a #2 in the right offense, I believe.

That and I think Samuel would end up being redundant because of Rice and Kelce.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

I think that Wesley Steinberg guy is a parody account so I’m not sure that helps your argument. Would not shock me if there’s a community of these losers who conspire to work together to deceive people.

I'm saying he was fooled after he got RT'd by that blue checkmark. He clearly didn't know it was a parody account.

There's no "argument". Again, he's batting 1.000 when it's coming from him. Doesn't mean he will continue to do so, but that's just a fact.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'd say if they're gonna pay this, that woudl be a strong indication that they do in fact want more out of the 3rd option.

This also isn’t 2022. It’s not as simple as just Kelce 1, Rice 2, someone else 3 and we are good. They know it needs to more like 1A, 1B, 2 depending on the game and situation and to keep Kelce ready for the playoffs.

We all know last season Mahomes said it would be someone new each week having a big day. It didn’t work out that way. Brown plus a second year Rice actually makes that a viable option.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

They signed Valdes-Scantling to have deep speed on the field that forced teams to keep the safeties high so Kelce and Smith-Schuster could feast underneath and break off huge YAC.

It worked like a charm in 2022. It didn’t last year because Valdes-Scantling took a step back and teams stopped keeping both safeties high.

That’s why I’ve been pro-Brown.

Yeah, on 90-100 targets he’s probably more like a 750 yard receiver.

But that’s valuable if you put teams back into two high safety as the only logical standard approach to KC/Mahomes because it’s going to make Kelce and Rice even more effective.

And we all keep asking for the ability to put less on Kelce as he ages. You can find 100 targets for Brown pretty easily, and he’s going to do more with them than Valdes-Scantling, Moore, and Toney did, which makes it easier to sit Kelce more.

Raw numbers like targets, receptions, yards, and TDS just don’t tell the full story here, as DJ already exhibited beautifully. And continuing to stubbornly post them is t going to convince anyone you’re right.

It's the possibility of getting 500 yards on 50 intermediate/deep targets that makes him so intriguing to me.

That's all it would take to maintain that spacing in the passing game. 3 targets/gm at/beyond 10 yards. That'll get you those 50 targets. That'll get you those 500 yards.

Feed him another 2-3/gm underneath or at the LOS and that'll probably get you another 250 yards or so.

Is 5-6 targets/gm for 750-800 yards in a fashion that makes space for your other targets some earth shattering event? No, but it's awfully damn similar to what we got from MVS in 2022 and that was a pretty big part of having a damn good offense that year.

The rest that's missing (another developmental WR, a pass-catching RB) can be found in the draft.

A brick doesn't have to be a wall, gentlemen. And nobody's saying Hollywood Brown is a wall. He's just a brick.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by kozzman555

Timeout. Someone tell me if Hollywood Brown catches the ball when it hits him in the hands or not. If he does, he's an upgrade over 3 of our receivers from last year, period.

He catches it.
23 career drops on 548 targets (4.2%)

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Damn, where did Reynolds sign?

That would have been a nice move, we've been in on him before.

I don't think KC could bring themselves to do it after all the drops in that NFC championship game. I'm guessing they'd probably seen enough of that shit.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I'd say this ends up playing out like the offensive line rebuild in '21.

You add Brown now, the WR room is passable. You don't HAVE to force it in R1 to raise the floor of the room.

But ultimately in this class, the BPA is gonna be a WR in R1 or R2 most likely and Veach will scoop em up. Then you're set for a couple years and you might just be back at #1 offense level.

[chiefforlife]

Originally Posted by O.city

If they sign Brown, I'd be more inclined to swing big for a Leggette and see what he can develop into.

If no Brown, I'd need someone a bit more pro ready.

This was my exact thought!!

I really like Leggette but he is to risky... Unless we sign Brown!!

That would allow us the time Leggette would need to become the next DK, AJ, Deebo?

I like the way you think!! (on this anyway)

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Saw your posts, and it's good data. No doubt. I'd like to know how an off target throw is defined, but...

Why isn't this bad QB play seem to be affecting the other WR's on the team?

Hopkins accomplished more in 2022 in 3 fewer games.

Michael Wilson came up 9 yards short last year in one less game and on 45 fewer targets.

These QB's are only missing Brown? Seems unlikely.

If you would, I'd like you to comment on my posts last night about Donovan Peoples Jones - if you watched him in Cleveland (talk about shitty QB play) the dude has great hands, gets open a lot in the intermediate area and can stretch the field.

He's a better version of 2022 MVS and would be a HELLUVA lot cheaper than Hollywood. Lot of big 3rd down catches on that tape.

I think it's got a lot to do with how well the QB progresses through his reads. If they're slow, that throw to the second or third read is probably not nearly as accurate as the first.

[staylor26]

Kind of getting nervous the more time that passes without confirmation, but just for the record, things this guy has nailed this free agency period:

- Burns trade

- Mooney to Falcons (down to the money)

- Ridley back to the Jags (not official, but all signs point to this)

I know I'll catch a lot of shit if this turns out to be wrong, but again, I acknowledge this is nothing more than a rumor until we get confirmation. You can't fault anybody for taking this guy seriously when he's been right about everything else.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Saw your posts, and it's good data. No doubt. I'd like to know how an off target throw is defined, but...

Why isn't this bad QB play seem to be affecting the other WR's on the team?

Hopkins accomplished more in 2022 in 3 fewer games.

Michael Wilson came up 9 yards short last year in one less game and on 45 fewer targets.

These QB's are only missing Brown? Seems unlikely.

If you would, I'd like you to comment on my posts last night about Donovan Peoples Jones - if you watched him in Cleveland (talk about shitty QB play) the dude has great hands, gets open a lot in the intermediate area and can stretch the field.

He's a better version of 2022 MVS and would be a HELLUVA lot cheaper than Hollywood.

i dunno. Can't claim to. Trying to encourage discussion in the hopes that someone else can figure that out.

Maybe it's a smaller catch radius that leads to more balls being labeled as off-target? Not impossible at all. Maybe Wilson's being used in a manner that better suits the limited QBs? More work in the short/intermediate areas (the intermediate accuracy to Brown was below average, but not abysmal like the deep accuracy was).

Maybe Wilson's simply a better player and will prove to be a 1,000 yard weapon in the absence of Brown. Which gets to O.City's point - when you miss on Moore and Toney, you're fighting uphill a bit. But that's the reality we're faced with.

Regarding DPJ - Liked him a couple years ago. No idea why he busted out so badly in Detroit. So has Jameson Williams, which is odd as I think Goff throws a really nice deep ball. Seems like both guys should be in a situation to succeed and haven't been.

My worry with Peoples-Jones is just that I think he's longer levered and stiffer. He's not a quick in/out of cuts guy as much as someone like Brown. So he may not fit as well in the offense IF you envision the possibility of Rice going more into a supercharged Watkins role and DPJ as a true Z.

I think that's what the Chiefs may be thinking here. Not that they want Brown to come in and be MVS. But that they want to maybe 'flatten' the distributions a bit. Think about the 2010 Eagles as an example.

Reid has talked about load managing Kelce next season a bit. So what if the idea isn't to get 140 targets to Kelce, 125 targets to Rice and 75 Targets to 'Replacement MVS'.

But rather to get 110 targets to Rice (Maclin) 95 targets to Brown (Jackson) and 80-90 targets to Kelce (Celek) with Kelce maybe absorbing some of those McCoy targets as well to kick that up nearer 100 targets.

People can be a replacement MVS - probably. But I think this would be a sign that that isn't what Andy WANTS to be doing. He wants to get closer to the sort of balance that the 2010 Eagles had. And may have to do so given Kelce's age and Reid's stated desire to leave a little in his tank for the 4th quarters/postseason.

[chiefforlife]

Im not a huge HB fan but I can definitely see the need/fit he could be in this offense.

Of the FA WRs available he is at the top. ( I dont believe Ridley is really leaving Jags).

If you are concerned, read DJLNs posts. What a GREAT unbiased dive into HBs numbers.

If you set your already formed opinion aside, I think you will feel damn good about the possibility of adding HB.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Kind of getting nervous the more time that passes without confirmation, but just for the record, things this guy has nailed this free agency period:

- Burns trade.

- Mooney to Falcons (down to the money)

- Ridley back to the Jags (not official, but all signs point to this)

Whatever man. Rumors and shit are all part of the fun either way.