Chiefs Alex Smith Traded to Chiefs - Page 120

Deberg_1990 · 02-27-2013, 10:59 AM

Well, it looks like the deal is done.

https://twitter.com/intent/user?scre...w_p=tweetembed

Jay Glazer @JayGlazer
49ers have completed a trade with the Chiefs for Alex Smith, tho can't be official til March 12. Chiefs really made a commitment to Smith

Jay Glazer @JayGlazer
Deal has been agreed upon between Chiefs and 49ers. Compensation unclear but I'm told again Chiefs have made a clear commitment to Smith.

Robert T · 02-28-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

If you think Alex Smith , losing out proven LT , giving up a 34th overall pick, and drafting a lineman at #1 is going to have more upside than reaching a little on a QB, retaining Albert, and keeping the 34th pick for a solid nfl player....

you don't know what you are talking about

If you think going 8-8 , safely, but with limited up-side is 'better'than rolling the dice and maybe going 4-12 another season BUT AT LEAST WE TRIED....

you dont know what youre talking about

You don't think trading 2 second rounders for Alex Smith with a new coach in town isn't rolling the dice???

Besides, if you guys really wanted Geno, you could probably still get him. I for one, wouldn't want to draft a QB this year until the 3rd round or so.

BigCatDaddy · 02-28-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert T

I'm not trying to make it seem like Alex is the next big thing. He was the most frustrating player on the 49ers for 6 years. It wasn't until the last 2 that he started to resemble the QB we thought we were getting when we drafted him #1.

I guess my one question for all of you Chiefs fans is this: Are you pissed that you now have Alex Smith as your QB? Or are you merely pissed that you gave up too much to get him?

I'm not here to make you feel better about the latter. Because honestly, if you go look at our forum forums.49ers.com/showthread.php?t=143939 everyone, including myself, feels like we committed a crime by coming away with 2 second rounders.

The compensation sucks and nobody that knows jack shit about football wants to trade for a game manager. Being sodomized by a cactus is preferable to Alex Smith. Nobody wants that trash.

BigCatDaddy · 02-28-2013, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert T

You don't think trading 2 second rounders for Alex Smith with a new coach in town isn't rolling the dice???

Besides, if you guys really wanted Geno, you could probably still get him. I for one, wouldn't want to draft a QB this year until the 3rd round or so.

No. Trading for a 30 year old known commodity isn't rolling the dice. It's playing to not lose.

**Mav** · 02-28-2013, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert T

You don't think trading 2 second rounders for Alex Smith with a new coach in town isn't rolling the dice???

Besides, if you guys really wanted Geno, you could probably still get him. I for one, wouldn't want to draft a QB this year until the 3rd round or so.

whats good robert? I thought the most hostile fans were on the 49ers board. By the way, this is snoop

Robert T · 02-28-2013, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The Broncos get Peyton Manning for free and the Chiefs give up 2 2nd round picks for Alex Smith.

JFC I hate this team.

Free? Dude they threw the bank at him not knowing if he was even healthy enough to play last season.

nychief · 02-28-2013, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert T

everyone, including myself, feels like we committed a crime by coming away with 2 second rounders.

It won't end up being 2 seconds... lets wait and see the details.

**Mav** · 02-28-2013, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

No. Trading for a 30 year old known commodity isn't rolling the dice. It's playing to not lose.

he wont be 30 until 2014 dude

jd1020 · 02-28-2013, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief

It won't end up being 2 seconds... lets wait and see the details.

Better be a conditional 2nd based on the Chiefs WINNING the SB.

nychief · 02-28-2013, 10:22 AM

interesting take from SI:
We can't agree on much in this world, but I think we can agree on this: If you ran the Kansas City Chiefs, you would have traded for Alex Smith.
This doesn't mean it will work. Nothing is guaranteed in life, except for all that money the Yankees owe Alex Rodriguez. But this was a risk that Andy Reid and the Chiefs had to take, because if they didn't, where would they be?
Kansas City?
Yes. But also doomed.
We often talk about the NFL being a quarterback league, and it's true. But what does that mean?
The NBA is often called a superstar league, and that's also true, but in both cases, people adapt the facts to fit their theories. The NBA has more superstars than we often realize. You don't really need one of the top three players in the world to win the title, but it seems that way, because we assume the best player on the best team is one of the top three. There are more ways to put together an NBA champion than we think. If it were simple, LeBron James would have won titles with Cleveland. He was the best player in the league there, too.
In the NFL ... yes, of course you need a good quarterback to win. But do you need a great one? Who thought Joe Flacco was a great quarterback three months ago? I think Ben Roethlisberger is a great one and Tony Romo is not, but their career numbers are pretty similar. If you went back eight years and made them switch franchises, would Romo be the two-time Super Bowl champion and Roethlisberger the talented guy who couldn't win the big one?
Having a great quarterback helps. Having a good quarterback is necessary. The difference between good and great is often just surrounding talent. And Smith, on his worst day, is still a good quarterback. People can say Smith is simply a product of Jim Harbaugh's genius, but he still completed 70.2 percent of his passes last year, and that can't all be Harbaugh. The year before, Smith had the 49ers within a play of the Super Bowl. So you don't have to debate whether he can win -- he has shown he can win. The 49ers would have happily kept playing him if Colin Kaepernick were not a superhero. And Smith is not yet 29.
Quarterbacks like this don't come on the market very often, and when one does, you grab him. Smith gives the Chiefs a chance. To illustrate the point, I have put all 32 starting quarterbacks into four categories:
Franchise Guys (12)
Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Joe Flacco, Andrew Luck, Colin Kaepernick, Robert Griffin III, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan
Guys You Know You Can Win With (7)
Jay Cutler, Cam Newton, Philip Rivers, Matthew Stafford, Tony Romo, Matt Schaub, Alex Smith
Mystery Guys (6)
Ryan Tannehill, Sam Bradford, Josh Freeman, Andy Dalton, Mike Vick, Christian Ponder
Guys (7)
The Buffalo guy, the Arizona guy, the Raiders' guy, the Browns' guy, the Jets' guy(s), the Titans' guy, the Jags' guy
We can quibble with where I put these guys, but anyway, these lists are fluid. Of the 12 franchise guys, five only joined the list in the last year: Flacco, Luck, Kaepernick, RGIII, Wilson. Meanwhile, Rivers, Stafford and Newton were franchise guys until recently, and they might get back on the list. Cutler could make that jump too. So could any of the Mystery Guys, but those guys could also turn out to be ... well, Matt Cassel.
The point is: Everybody wants a franchise guy, but not everybody can have a franchise guy. Once quarterbacks reach that level, teams will hold on to them, unless they mess up their neck, the team falls apart and another franchise guy replaces them.
If you run a team, you recognize that getting a franchise guy takes a little luck. But what you can't do is look up one day and realize your starting quarterback is Blaine Gabbert. Then you're hopeless, your fans hate you, free agents want nothing to do with you and you spend five years looking forward to April. Bears fans may gripe about Jay Cutler, and Lions fans may worry about Matthew Stafford's mechanics, but come September, they know that their quarterbacks give them a chance. Maybe not the best chance, but a chance.
Alex Smith gives the Chiefs a chance. And look around: Nobody else really does. There may be a franchise guy somewhere in this draft, but there are no likely franchise guys. If there is a franchise guy, it is somebody who, like Brady and Wilson, was overlooked. Matt Barkley and Geno Smith, the two top prospects, are mysteries. They might win Super Bowls, but they are less likely to do that than Alex Smith.
Now the Chiefs can use the first pick of the draft to pick a lineman to block for and eat with Andy Reid. They can build the rest of the roster knowing that they have a quarterback who gives them a chance. If they somehow find a franchise guy along the way, like the 49ers did with Kaepernick, then great. If not, at least they have a shot.
Four years ago, the Chiefs acquired Matt Cassel for the 34th pick in the draft and the right to fire Scott Pioli later. Cassel had played one season for the New England Automatons, and his numbers were pretty good: 63.4 completion percentage, 21 touchdowns, 11 interceptions, 7.16 yards per attempt. But the Patriots missed the playoffs that year, and we have seen so many random schmoes (football term!) look like Pro Bowlers for the Patriots that the buyer should always beware. Plus, Cassel had not even started in college.
Cassel wasn't quite as bad for the Chiefs as people think -- his second year as a starter, the Chiefs finished 9-7, and his numbers were decent: 27 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, mostly in game-manager mode. By the end, though, it was pretty clear that Cassel is a backup quarterback ... which is exactly what he was when the Chiefs traded for him.
If this fails, we can all question the Chiefs. We can say that they should have seen that Smith was more Matt Cassel II than RGIII. But if you were running the Chiefs, what else would you do? This was a chance they had to take.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2MDBF1Z7R

Mr_Tomahawk · 02-28-2013, 10:22 AM

Hilight said interesting parts.

The_Grand_Illusion · 02-28-2013, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert T

I'm not trying to make it seem like Alex is the next big thing. He was the most frustrating player on the 49ers for 6 years. It wasn't until the last 2 that he started to resemble the QB we thought we were getting when we drafted him #1.

I guess my one question for all of you Chiefs fans is this: Are you pissed that you now have Alex Smith as your QB? Or are you merely pissed that you gave up too much to get him?

I'm not here to make you feel better about the latter. Because honestly, if you go look at our forum forums.49ers.com/showthread.php?t=143939 everyone, including myself, feels like we committed a crime by coming away with 2 second rounders.

We've been down this road so many times with other teams garbage QB's and I am personally just sick and tired of it.

What part of that don't you understand?

TGI

nychief · 02-28-2013, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Better be a conditional 2nd based on the Chiefs WINNING the SB.

I think there are some other moving pieces that have not been announced and won't be till march 12. I also think Dorsey knows he can add picks by trading out of 1.1

**The Franchise** · 02-28-2013, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief

interesting take from SI:
We can't agree on much in this world, but I think we can agree on this: If

I stopped right there.

Dante84 · 02-28-2013, 10:24 AM

So, are we swapping 2nd round picks (34 for 63) and giving them a conditional 3rd/2nd next year for Alex Smith?

Or are we just giving them our 2nd this year (34) and a conditional 3rd/2nd next years straight up for Alex Smith?

It will make a huge difference in how I feel about this trade.

jd1020 · 02-28-2013, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief

We can't agree on much in this world, but I think we can agree on this: If you ran the Kansas City Chiefs, you would have traded for Alex Smith.

Lost interest right there.

I would not have traded for Alex Smith. He's better than Cassel while being worse than like 15 QBs in the league. In just a few short weeks he was likely going to be cut. I would have drafted the best QB this draft class has to offer at #1 and MAYBE signed Smith as a stop gap/backup.

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02-28-2013, 10:22 AM	#1794
nychief MVP Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC Casino cash: $6869466	interesting take from SI: We can't agree on much in this world, but I think we can agree on this: If you ran the Kansas City Chiefs, you would have traded for Alex Smith. This doesn't mean it will work. Nothing is guaranteed in life, except for all that money the Yankees owe Alex Rodriguez. But this was a risk that Andy Reid and the Chiefs had to take, because if they didn't, where would they be? Kansas City? Yes. But also doomed. We often talk about the NFL being a quarterback league, and it's true. But what does that mean? The NBA is often called a superstar league, and that's also true, but in both cases, people adapt the facts to fit their theories. The NBA has more superstars than we often realize. You don't really need one of the top three players in the world to win the title, but it seems that way, because we assume the best player on the best team is one of the top three. There are more ways to put together an NBA champion than we think. If it were simple, LeBron James would have won titles with Cleveland. He was the best player in the league there, too. In the NFL ... yes, of course you need a good quarterback to win. But do you need a great one? Who thought Joe Flacco was a great quarterback three months ago? I think Ben Roethlisberger is a great one and Tony Romo is not, but their career numbers are pretty similar. If you went back eight years and made them switch franchises, would Romo be the two-time Super Bowl champion and Roethlisberger the talented guy who couldn't win the big one? Having a great quarterback helps. Having a good quarterback is necessary. The difference between good and great is often just surrounding talent. And Smith, on his worst day, is still a good quarterback. People can say Smith is simply a product of Jim Harbaugh's genius, but he still completed 70.2 percent of his passes last year, and that can't all be Harbaugh. The year before, Smith had the 49ers within a play of the Super Bowl. So you don't have to debate whether he can win -- he has shown he can win. The 49ers would have happily kept playing him if Colin Kaepernick were not a superhero. And Smith is not yet 29. Quarterbacks like this don't come on the market very often, and when one does, you grab him. Smith gives the Chiefs a chance. To illustrate the point, I have put all 32 starting quarterbacks into four categories: Franchise Guys (12) Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Joe Flacco, Andrew Luck, Colin Kaepernick, Robert Griffin III, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan Guys You Know You Can Win With (7) Jay Cutler, Cam Newton, Philip Rivers, Matthew Stafford, Tony Romo, Matt Schaub, Alex Smith Mystery Guys (6) Ryan Tannehill, Sam Bradford, Josh Freeman, Andy Dalton, Mike Vick, Christian Ponder Guys (7) The Buffalo guy, the Arizona guy, the Raiders' guy, the Browns' guy, the Jets' guy(s), the Titans' guy, the Jags' guy We can quibble with where I put these guys, but anyway, these lists are fluid. Of the 12 franchise guys, five only joined the list in the last year: Flacco, Luck, Kaepernick, RGIII, Wilson. Meanwhile, Rivers, Stafford and Newton were franchise guys until recently, and they might get back on the list. Cutler could make that jump too. So could any of the Mystery Guys, but those guys could also turn out to be ... well, Matt Cassel. The point is: Everybody wants a franchise guy, but not everybody can have a franchise guy. Once quarterbacks reach that level, teams will hold on to them, unless they mess up their neck, the team falls apart and another franchise guy replaces them. If you run a team, you recognize that getting a franchise guy takes a little luck. But what you can't do is look up one day and realize your starting quarterback is Blaine Gabbert. Then you're hopeless, your fans hate you, free agents want nothing to do with you and you spend five years looking forward to April. Bears fans may gripe about Jay Cutler, and Lions fans may worry about Matthew Stafford's mechanics, but come September, they know that their quarterbacks give them a chance. Maybe not the best chance, but a chance. Alex Smith gives the Chiefs a chance. And look around: Nobody else really does. There may be a franchise guy somewhere in this draft, but there are no likely franchise guys. If there is a franchise guy, it is somebody who, like Brady and Wilson, was overlooked. Matt Barkley and Geno Smith, the two top prospects, are mysteries. They might win Super Bowls, but they are less likely to do that than Alex Smith. Now the Chiefs can use the first pick of the draft to pick a lineman to block for and eat with Andy Reid. They can build the rest of the roster knowing that they have a quarterback who gives them a chance. If they somehow find a franchise guy along the way, like the 49ers did with Kaepernick, then great. If not, at least they have a shot. Four years ago, the Chiefs acquired Matt Cassel for the 34th pick in the draft and the right to fire Scott Pioli later. Cassel had played one season for the New England Automatons, and his numbers were pretty good: 63.4 completion percentage, 21 touchdowns, 11 interceptions, 7.16 yards per attempt. But the Patriots missed the playoffs that year, and we have seen so many random schmoes (football term!) look like Pro Bowlers for the Patriots that the buyer should always beware. Plus, Cassel had not even started in college. Cassel wasn't quite as bad for the Chiefs as people think -- his second year as a starter, the Chiefs finished 9-7, and his numbers were decent: 27 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, mostly in game-manager mode. By the end, though, it was pretty clear that Cassel is a backup quarterback ... which is exactly what he was when the Chiefs traded for him. If this fails, we can all question the Chiefs. We can say that they should have seen that Smith was more Matt Cassel II than RGIII. But if you were running the Chiefs, what else would you do? This was a chance they had to take. Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2MDBF1Z7R __________________ Good Time Charlie, Uncle Doobie and the Great Frisco Freakout.
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