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**Saul Good** · 09:06 PM

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Molitoth · 02-14-2012, 03:05 PM

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There's really no reason to even argue this. I have no idea why you keep doing it.

There's no reason to argue anything... because everything is opinion.
Opinions differ based on bias.

At that end of the NCAA tourney is where the talking should begin; and even at that there are too many "What if's?"

Pants · 02-14-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Davidson was, like, an awesome 10 seed. They really should've been a #1 that year or something.

Well, they did beat the #2 seed and then DEMOLISHED the #3 seed Wisconsin on their way to lose to Kansas, but don't let get facts get in your way or anything, by all means, carry on.

Pants · 02-14-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

There's no reason to argue anything... because everything is opinion.
Opinions differ based on bias.

At that end of the NCAA tourney is where the talking should begin.

42.4FG% allowed is not an opinion. Neither is 64PPG.

Dr. Gigglepants · 02-14-2012, 03:25 PM

8.8 and 7.5 aren't opinions either. Those are steals per game for MU and KU respectively. MU also has about the 4th highest turnover margin in the country. I don't know what KU is because they aren't in the top 50 on the NCAA website. Yeah, MU doesn't play defense at all.
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Pants · 02-14-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Gigglepants

Yeah, MU doesn't play defense at all.
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They really don't.

KC_Connection · 02-14-2012, 03:31 PM

http://kenpom.com/

Check out the defensive ratings there (AdjD). Missouri isn't impressive at all, but Duke is even worse.

Pants · 02-14-2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

http://kenpom.com/

Check out the defensive ratings there. Missouri isn't impressive at all, but Duke is even worse.

Hmmm, Kansas is #4, MU is #49? That's better than I thought they were. They're just a little pathetic on D, and not completely inept like I thought.

KC_Connection · 02-14-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants

Hmmm, Kansas is #4, MU is #49?

It would appear so. And I don't believe stats have an agenda.

Dr. Gigglepants · 02-14-2012, 03:35 PM

I don't know much about those ratings. What does adj o mean? What does that "1" mean next to Missouri for that category? That's probably not good right?
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duncan_idaho · 02-14-2012, 03:35 PM

Missouri's defense definitely struggles in terms of FG percentage, due to the lack of size.

Being forced to double-team in the post creates a lot of open perimeter shots for opposing teams. If you don't double-team, you open up to a lot of high percentage shots for the guy English is guarding (either from English playing behind him or trying to front him). Fronting is dangerous because you still have to commit help over the top.

The Tigers' FG percentage D does not tell the entire story. They make up in part for their size deficiency by winning the turnover battle by a significant margin (6 TO/game). That's why Mizzou's adjusted defensive ranking is in the top 50 rather than top 200 it's pure FG percentage numbers show.

I'm not sure how the guys that do those efficiency rankings, but it makes sense that they rank Mizzou around 50. If you consider the +6 turnover a game as 6 missed baskets, that adjusts Mizzou's FG percentage D into the 39 percent range, which would rank in the top 50.

Having a big shot-blocker at the back end who can also help on the glass would be really helpful as well. Bowers is that type of player (he's not Anthony Davis, but he is a talented shot-blocker and decent rebounder), but obviously he's not a factor this year...

What really hurts is not having Tony Mitchell. His defensive prowess (and flexibility) would really fill a lot of defensive holes, especially against athletic 3 men (who have consistently killed Mizzou).

KC_Connection · 02-14-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Gigglepants

I don't know much about those ratings. What does adj o mean? What does that "1" mean next to Missouri for that category? That's probably not good right?
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Nobody said MU couldn't score with anybody.

Pants · 02-14-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Gigglepants

I don't know much about those ratings. What does adj o mean? What does that "1" mean next to Missouri for that category? That's probably not good right?
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That means MU has the best offense in the country p/Kenpom. That was never a point of contention. Denmon ripped KU a new asshole all by himself in the last meeting.

Dr. Gigglepants · 02-14-2012, 03:39 PM

Too bad you guys don't have the number 3 defense then. You might have won that game.
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duncan_idaho · 02-14-2012, 03:47 PM

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They really don't.

Right. Right.

It's not like they put extreme pressure on ballhandlers when they're trying to make entry passes ... or work really hard and fight for position defensively ... or have a 6-5 wing who kills himself on defense to defend bigger posts.

Ask Jeff Withey if Kim English plays defense.

Pants · 02-14-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Gigglepants

Too bad you guys don't have the number 3 defense then. You might have won that game.
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Yeah, snatching that loss from the jaws of victory kind of sucked. Hopefully we can do better on the 25th.

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02-14-2012, 03:25 PM	#1804
Dr. Gigglepants Veteran Join Date: Apr 2011 Casino cash: $22400	8.8 and 7.5 aren't opinions either. Those are steals per game for MU and KU respectively. MU also has about the 4th highest turnover margin in the country. I don't know what KU is because they aren't in the top 50 on the NCAA website. Yeah, MU doesn't play defense at all. Posted via Mobile Device
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02-14-2012, 03:31 PM	#1806
KC_Connection Perpetual Mediocrity Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $1742783	http://kenpom.com/ Check out the defensive ratings there (AdjD). Missouri isn't impressive at all, but Duke is even worse.
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02-14-2012, 03:35 PM	#1809
Dr. Gigglepants Veteran Join Date: Apr 2011 Casino cash: $22400	I don't know much about those ratings. What does adj o mean? What does that "1" mean next to Missouri for that category? That's probably not good right? Posted via Mobile Device
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02-14-2012, 03:35 PM	#1810
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1909692	Missouri's defense definitely struggles in terms of FG percentage, due to the lack of size. Being forced to double-team in the post creates a lot of open perimeter shots for opposing teams. If you don't double-team, you open up to a lot of high percentage shots for the guy English is guarding (either from English playing behind him or trying to front him). Fronting is dangerous because you still have to commit help over the top. The Tigers' FG percentage D does not tell the entire story. They make up in part for their size deficiency by winning the turnover battle by a significant margin (6 TO/game). That's why Mizzou's adjusted defensive ranking is in the top 50 rather than top 200 it's pure FG percentage numbers show. I'm not sure how the guys that do those efficiency rankings, but it makes sense that they rank Mizzou around 50. If you consider the +6 turnover a game as 6 missed baskets, that adjusts Mizzou's FG percentage D into the 39 percent range, which would rank in the top 50. Having a big shot-blocker at the back end who can also help on the glass would be really helpful as well. Bowers is that type of player (he's not Anthony Davis, but he is a talented shot-blocker and decent rebounder), but obviously he's not a factor this year... What really hurts is not having Tony Mitchell. His defensive prowess (and flexibility) would really fill a lot of defensive holes, especially against athletic 3 men (who have consistently killed Mizzou). __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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02-14-2012, 03:39 PM	#1813
Dr. Gigglepants Veteran Join Date: Apr 2011 Casino cash: $22400	Too bad you guys don't have the number 3 defense then. You might have won that game. Posted via Mobile Device
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