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07-21-2008, 05:18 PM | #1846 | |
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07-21-2008, 05:30 PM | #1847 | |
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You continue to rally on this issue like you're discovering new ground here. You aren't. Can you imagine someone signing up here and going "Gee, guys, I'm starting to think this Carl Peterson fellow might not be a very successful general manager!" And can you imagine him continuing to hammer that point, which everyone else figured out years ago? That's you on this topic. And, true to form, you continue to use ridiculous hyperbole when trying to make your point. You've made two references now to "ratings". Are you honestly under the impression that Raw's ratings are up because HHH isn't on the show? That's kind of an unusual position to take for any number of reasons, not the least of which being the upswing Smackdown is on since he moved there. You said HHH is "always" in the main events, even when he's not wrestling for the world title. You gave 2 examples, one going back to 4 years ago. I can give you twice that many examples of PPVs where he WASN'T in the main event from just last year. You're hammering a point that the rest of the world came to terms with 5 years ago, and you're completely exaggerating at best, making things up at worst, to try proving a position THAT DOESN'T NEED PROVING. Do you really wonder why this... ...is the reaction you get? |
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You will get that reaction alot of times.....maybe he's not willing to bow down and accept it?
Basically you're argument right now is "H isn't going away shutup and deal with it" |
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07-21-2008, 05:34 PM | #1849 |
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07-21-2008, 05:38 PM | #1850 |
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Why should he accept that?
That's like saying "Yo this wrestling show it totally blows I know you're a big fan and all but just deal with it, you have no place to complain about it" If you've been a fan for a long time I think you have a right to complain about shit you don't like, the problem is most WWE fans are sheep and will eventually accept what they are fed to like. |
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Just because I'm not some dumb sonofabitch who cheers who Vince tells me to doesn't make my analysis of the matter insignificant. I can give you a plethora of all of the above examples, the run sheet shit with Shawn when they were in LA, the OVW stamp on the Spirit Squad's box, telling Cena that his fan base was comprised of six year olds. There comes a point when breaking the fourth wall to get yourself over is a detriment to the business. You still haven't offered any kind of response to my comments other than someone else has mentioned it before. Well, perhaps that's because it's true. I'm loathe to quote T.O., but if it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golly, it's a rat. Oh, but Hunter is booked as the top face, therefore he should be cheered. Well, he can't work a match above three snowflakes anymore without buckets of blood, his promos consist of "I'm better than you, [insert shoot comment]" for an interminably long period, and even when he doesn't have the titles, the announcers constantly put him over as the best in the business. The guy's ego is so big he simply cannot step aside. Even when he's not the champ, he has to be referred to as the best. Supposedly, that's good for business. Well, if it really was that good for business, why do RAW ratings drop when he's champ, and why do guys like the Hardys and Cena blow him out of the water in regards to merch sales? Why does CM Punk get buried when he outpops DX in Chicago? It's a simple matter of ego. He has to be booked as a monster to satisfy his own insecurity. He wants to be Flair, and he wants to be bigger than Austin or Hogan, but he'll never be that. He's Dave Winfield trying to imitate Reggie Jackson...Hell, he's more Harold Minor than he is Michael Jordan. But the guys holding the books are constantly directed to push him as though he's the greatest thing to ever grace wrestling. Just because you get a God push doesn't mean you deserve it: See: Lesnar, Brock; Goldberg, Bill.
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07-21-2008, 05:46 PM | #1852 |
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Tard logic if I've ever seen it.
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Re: ratings
The rating for Raw the week before the draft was 3.3. The draft itself in the two normal hours for Raw did a 3.7. They were at 3.5 the next two weeks but dropped to 3.2 last week. That shows a big bump for the draft show and they managed to hold some of that extra audience for the next two weeks. But last week it was back down to pre-draft levels. This week, coming off a PPV, maybe they will rise back up. For Smackdown, the week before the draft had a rating of 2.1. (Keep in mind cable and network ratings are figured differently.) The episode after the draft did a 2.5. That is a big jump without something like the draft as a hook. And last weeks rating was a 2.7. Smackdown has been doing very well since the draft, which is when HHH and others moved over. Raw had the benefit of the draft to bring in new viewers, but doesnt look like it is keeping them. |
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07-21-2008, 06:00 PM | #1855 | |
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There are 2 things that I know about Triple H that are absolute facts, by the time he retires he'll have held more world titles than Flair being the most decorated and 2 the guy was so jealous of the Rock it was absolutely funny. Remember when the Rock came back and did the great skits with Hurricane what did H do...he promptly buried him.. There is no doubt that H was always jealous of the Rock, truth is for a guy who idolized Flair, H is more and more like Hogan everyday just without the big gates or mainstream notoriety, he's Hogan without what made Hogan, Hogan. |
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Your assertion that he's always in the main events is yet more ridiculous hyperbole. Quote:
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But your continued mistake is that I'm trying to refute your comments about HHH. I'm not. I'm asking why you feel the need to continue watching it while rallying against something that you're never, ever going to change, even though most of the world moved on 5 years ago. |
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07-21-2008, 06:49 PM | #1859 |
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The bigger problem with Cena is that he got pushed like Jesus Christ Almighty for two straight years as they pushed him down everyones throat. He is a charismatic guy and he can talk, but he isnt close to Steve Austin or The Rock or Hogan, and he got put over everyone like he was invincible.
Look at CM Punk, the reactions to him havent been that great since he won the belt. People are saying he looked weak at the PPV, but I guarantee that if he went out and beat Batista, he would be the next Cena in terms of crowds booing him when they should be cheering. The Punk match last night was a good match. He went back and forth with Batista, it wasnt like he was getting dominated. But people are acting like if Punk didnt win that match clean, then it somehow makes him look bad. Has nothing been learned? There is no need to push Punk down peoples throats. Pushing him as an underdog champ doesnt make him the Honky Tonk Man. Bret Hart was an underdog champ his first time out, that worked pretty good. Last edited by Boris The Great; 07-23-2008 at 07:17 PM.. |
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