Peter King: Herm will draft Matt Ryan to buy himself another year - Page 13

FloridaMan88 · 03-24-2008, 10:52 AM

I still doubt the Chiefs will take Ryan, but this is an interesting rationale for why they might and this is totally in line with the piece of garbage that Herm is.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...21/mmqb/1.html

Kansas City. Boston College QB Matt Ryan. Just a hunch, though they'll have trouble passing on Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long.

Strange thing here. At the combine, Carl Peterson told me the Chiefs loved Ryan, but there was no way they could take him because of their needs elsewhere. (Offensive line, I'm guessing.) Then they sent half the front office to his workout the other day at BC. Methinks Carl does not want to be the man to pass on the guy he thinks will be a franchise player. The other thing this does is buy coach Herman Edwards one more year of rebuilding. Even if the Chiefs go 5-11 this year, they couldn't whack Edwards until after they got a really good look at Ryan.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-25-2008, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'd love to know what makes people think Matt Ryan is so shitty it would cause them to drink....

Would you prefer JaMarcus Russell who I watch people talk shit on constantly around here? If you hate the type of QB Russell is then you should love Ryan he's a hard working intangibles guy who has high level physical tools just not elite ones.

The only way the Chiefs will totally botch this pick is if they reach and take a OT no matter what or take a corner with that pick.

I'll tell you. It should sound familiar considering I've heard it numerous times in your own posts.

If I'm spending a Top 5 pick on a guy, there better be no doubts. He has to be a Pro Bowl, year-in, year-out player.

If "solid" isn't good enough when addressing the LT position, (which IMO, it's not) then it shouldn't be when addressing the QB position.

And FTR, I've NEVER said that Ryan was shitty.

But a guy who has the upside potential of Matt ****ing Hasselbeck is NOT worth a 5th overall pick, IMO.

Unless there's a Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning type QB there, you don't take one that early. And there's no argument - Ryan is NOT that type of player.

Chiefs=Champions · 03-25-2008, 04:36 AM

Im sorry but if were going to draft a QB with a top 5 pick, then i want him to be BLOODY GOOD not good. Ryan could be SOLID, but that is not worth a top 5 pick. He throws across his body (as some have stated) and takes to many risks. With the offense were going to run that just wont be suficent. Plus if Dorsey or Long are there this is a non-argument because to pass on players of their caliber, when you've already got Brodie PLUS 9 other picks to select a QB, you DO NOT do it. Its the same argument as we should take a OT at all costs. If their not worth the pick, due to other more talented players being there or their not an elite talent DONT select them!!!

I think i made the same point several times, but whatever.

Chiefs=Champions · 03-25-2008, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'll tell you. It should sound familiar considering I've heard it numerous times in your own posts.

If I'm spending a Top 5 pick on a guy, there better be no doubts. He has to be a Pro Bowl, year-in, year-out player.

If "solid" isn't good enough when addressing the LT position, (which IMO, it's not) then it shouldn't be when addressing the QB position.

And FTR, I've NEVER said that Ryan was shitty.

But a guy who has the upside potential of Matt ****ing Hasselbeck is NOT worth a 5th overall pick, IMO.

Unless there's a Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning type QB there, you don't take one that early. And there's no argument - Ryan is NOT that type of player.

Good point, i think i made the same...

beach tribe · 03-25-2008, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

Good point, i think i made the same...

Me too.

DenverChief · 03-25-2008, 05:46 AM

I want Joe Flacco anyway

ChiefaRoo · 03-25-2008, 06:07 AM

Maybe KC goes with Ryan and then goes O-line in the 2,3,4,5 rounds to produce two starters and two backups. Then they pick up some depth via trade after the draft and presto you'v got your 2008 KC chiefs. Bleh, rookie Center and relying on Boone, Tank and Turk to play better ball next year. Who's the 2nd and 3rd CB again?

King_Chief_Fan · 03-25-2008, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cutler7624

do you guys not like brodie croyle?

not really, about as much as we are going to like you mr. cutler7624...j/k
welcome to the planet.

Chiefnj2 · 03-25-2008, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

Can someone explain to me how Ryan rose? He sucked against VT. He sucks in general. I watched some of his games last year and he seemed like a 2nd rounder at best. Why is he all of the sudden skyrocketed to a position that makes him off the board or taken by us?

It's the Tom Brady effect. Tom doesn't have the best feet, best mechanics, best arm, but he's got intangibles that make him win. Like you said, you can watch Ryan for a good part of a game and he'll suck, but then he will make some awesome plays. People are hoping to harness those good qualities and find the next Tom Brady.

jspchief · 03-25-2008, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It's the Tom Brady effect. Tom doesn't have the best feet, best mechanics, best arm, but he's got intangibles that make him win. Like you said, you can watch Ryan for a good part of a game and he'll suck, but then he will make some awesome plays. People are hoping to harness those good qualities and find the next Tom Brady.

In that case, I'd be perfectly happy taking Ryan in the 6th round.

Coogs · 03-25-2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It's the Tom Brady effect. Tom doesn't have the best feet, best mechanics, best arm, but he's got intangibles that make him win. Like you said, you can watch Ryan for a good part of a game and he'll suck, but then he will make some awesome plays. People are hoping to harness those good qualities and find the next Tom Brady.

If we would have had a FG kicker who could have made a 30 yard FG, an OC who would have got out of his shell a bit against the Colts, a defense that wouldn't have folded like a cheap shirt after Brodie had rallied us to a lead or tie in at least two games (Jets game included in OT), then we might be saying we already have that QB. But we didn't/don't, and now we need a QB who can lead us to a win.

crazycoffey · 03-25-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ill-Logical

I think the problem is that based on all the scouting reports Long is not a sure thing for an NFL caliber left tackle. That is a really high pick for a right tackle.

I think the bigger problem is - we don't know who is going to be a real stud at the NFL level...

Deberg_1990 · 03-25-2008, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

I want Joe Flacco anyway

So you want Kyle Boller then? I have a feeling hes the same thing.

beach tribe · 03-25-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It's the Tom Brady effect. Tom doesn't have the best feet, best mechanics, best arm, but he's got intangibles that make him win. Like you said, you can watch Ryan for a good part of a game and he'll suck, but then he will make some awesome plays. People are hoping to harness those good qualities and find the next Tom Brady.

I've never seen Tom Brady suck for most of any game.

beach tribe · 03-25-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ill-Logical

I think the problem is that based on all the scouting reports Long is not a sure thing for an NFL caliber left tackle. That is a really high pick for a right tackle.

I think this is BS. If Long wasn't cut out to be a LT he would not be projected so high. He is the best, by far, of the group of LEFT tackles.

Mecca · 03-25-2008, 10:50 AM

Here's the problem you get, you want a Palmer or a Manning, those guys are extremely rare. Palmer to be honest had some serious question marks going into his draft he wasn't the for sure #1 pick until just days before the draft. If you want to wait around for that QB fine but we may be waiting for 10 years and who's to say we'll suck enough to get that guy?

QB prospects like Ryan get more and more difficult to find because of all these college teams spread option fixation and I'd never draft a QB that played in it because he basically has no prep for the NFL game.

Also that whole QB/LT argument, to me there is a major difference. QB is by far the most important position on the field. I think there's a major difference in positional value from QB to OL. The reason I say you have to be 100% sure on a OT is because of the money that goes with it. Now QB those guys if good get paid that kinda top 5 cash anyway, to me I'd rather get risky with a QB than a OT.

Ryan probably isn't going to be there when we pick anyway but it's gonna make me laugh in a couple years when everyone is going apeshit that we don't have a QB then complains that all these QB classes suck...

College going to the spread option is hurting the QB classes...Ryan is big, has major intangibles, is smart, threw the ball a ton of times in a pro style offense. Honestly the only thing he doesn't have is the cannon arm and how many guys are succeeding right now without that? Plenty.

Oh by the way you know what the difference in Ryan and Flacco is? Ryan beat out the other QB's at BC to become the starter..Flacco couldn't beat out the QB's at Pitt and transferred out, to me that is a red flag.

03-24-2008, 10:52 AM
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $2612906	Peter King: Herm will draft Matt Ryan to buy himself another year I still doubt the Chiefs will take Ryan, but this is an interesting rationale for why they might and this is totally in line with the piece of garbage that Herm is. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...21/mmqb/1.html Kansas City. Boston College QB Matt Ryan. Just a hunch, though they'll have trouble passing on Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long. Strange thing here. At the combine, Carl Peterson told me the Chiefs loved Ryan, but there was no way they could take him because of their needs elsewhere. (Offensive line, I'm guessing.) Then they sent half the front office to his workout the other day at BC. Methinks Carl does not want to be the man to pass on the guy he thinks will be a franchise player. The other thing this does is buy coach Herman Edwards one more year of rebuilding. Even if the Chiefs go 5-11 this year, they couldn't whack Edwards until after they got a really good look at Ryan.
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Chiefs=Champions Training Camp Hero Join Date: Oct 2006 Casino cash: $8504801	Im sorry but if were going to draft a QB with a top 5 pick, then i want him to be BLOODY GOOD not good. Ryan could be SOLID, but that is not worth a top 5 pick. He throws across his body (as some have stated) and takes to many risks. With the offense were going to run that just wont be suficent. Plus if Dorsey or Long are there this is a non-argument because to pass on players of their caliber, when you've already got Brodie PLUS 9 other picks to select a QB, you DO NOT do it. Its the same argument as we should take a OT at all costs. If their not worth the pick, due to other more talented players being there or their not an elite talent DONT select them!!! I think i made the same point several times, but whatever.
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03-25-2008, 10:50 AM	#195
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2087050	Here's the problem you get, you want a Palmer or a Manning, those guys are extremely rare. Palmer to be honest had some serious question marks going into his draft he wasn't the for sure #1 pick until just days before the draft. If you want to wait around for that QB fine but we may be waiting for 10 years and who's to say we'll suck enough to get that guy? QB prospects like Ryan get more and more difficult to find because of all these college teams spread option fixation and I'd never draft a QB that played in it because he basically has no prep for the NFL game. Also that whole QB/LT argument, to me there is a major difference. QB is by far the most important position on the field. I think there's a major difference in positional value from QB to OL. The reason I say you have to be 100% sure on a OT is because of the money that goes with it. Now QB those guys if good get paid that kinda top 5 cash anyway, to me I'd rather get risky with a QB than a OT. Ryan probably isn't going to be there when we pick anyway but it's gonna make me laugh in a couple years when everyone is going apeshit that we don't have a QB then complains that all these QB classes suck... College going to the spread option is hurting the QB classes...Ryan is big, has major intangibles, is smart, threw the ball a ton of times in a pro style offense. Honestly the only thing he doesn't have is the cannon arm and how many guys are succeeding right now without that? Plenty. Oh by the way you know what the difference in Ryan and Flacco is? Ryan beat out the other QB's at BC to become the starter..Flacco couldn't beat out the QB's at Pitt and transferred out, to me that is a red flag.
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