"Alex Smith makes your defense better"

[temper11]

Article from Arrowhead Pride. Talks of the apparent positive effects of Smith's game on the defense.

This won't change any minds... Smith-baters have been saying this for a while now, but at least someone put it on paper and put some numbers to it for discussion.

Have at it everyone...

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/6...defense-better

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Shekelsteinberg

.. well done!

[Brock]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Here's the thing...
Alex Smith made mistakes in the second half including clock management. But no more mistakes than many QBs would make in a half.

The defense may have been the worst second half defense in playoff history
The running game was utterly useless
Every receiver/TE not named Bowe did nothing redeeming
The coaching was really, really bad, and that includes not instructing Smith to use the clock better

If you go through the starters from top to bottom, Smith's mistakes are way on the bottom of the list if we're playing the blame game.

I'm not going to pin that loss on one player, but in general, Alex Smith is no better than Andy Reid at understanding game situations, clock, score, down, distance, any of it. Which means he's atrocious at it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Brock

I'm not going to pin that loss on one player, but in general, Alex Smith is no better than Andy Reid at understanding game situations, clock, score, down, distance, any of it. Which means he's atrocious at it.

I'm not going to argue with you there. Smith's football IQ is extremely overrated.

But in this game, it was such a tiny factor in why the Chiefs lost. It was a QB performance I would gladly, gladly take in the playoffs whether it was Alex Smith or it was Aaron Rodgers. And that includes the second half.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Shekelsteinberg

That dog's had enough of that guy's shit

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The coaching deserves the most blame for poor clock management. Reid could have stopped it.

Sure Smith deserves some blame. But let this sink in again.
Brees/Brady/Peyton/Rodgers. All HOF QBs. They are a combined 3-14 in playoff games where their defense gave up 30+ points. Until this year, Peyton was the ONLY of the 4 to have won a game of this kind (Brady finally won one this year). The Chiefs' defense gave up 35 points in the 2nd half alone. A 2nd half that didn't have an unusual amount of turnovers and had a solid enough average of ~6 plays, 2:30 TOP per drive. That's DESPITE having absolutely no running game and terrible receiving options outside of Bowe. And I've been a stickler about this whenever Alex loses... in this game, he actually made the right pass on the final play of the game.

Smith did more than enough in the 2nd half to keep the Chiefs in the game despite the clock management. If HOFs struggle to win 30+ games, then I shouldn't expect Alex Smith to either. Let alone 40.

This has nothing to do with points.

It has everything to do with a veteran QB not recognizing the situation and giving the team the opportunity to run clock, thus not giving the opposition enough time to make an historic comeback.

Yes, Reid shoud have have also recognized the situation and directed Smith to do it, but a 10 year vet with a minimal football IQ should not need to be reminded.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm not going to argue with you there. Smith's football IQ is extremely overrated.

But in this game, it was such a tiny factor in why the Chiefs lost. It was a QB performance I would gladly, gladly take in the playoffs whether it was Alex Smith or it was Aaron Rodgers. And that includes the second half.

No, it is not a tiny factor.

He manages the clock, time runs out, Chiefs win.

Period.
End of ****ing story.

I am sorry you and that other dipshit, Hootie, don't see this.

Yes, the defense blew chunks, and are clearly mostly to blame.

But Alex Smith and Andy Reid share some of it.

[WhiteWhale]

There's merit to this.

And if Alex had thrown more than 20 TD's in more than one season, it would be really important.

Look... some RB's fumble more than others. Some guys (like Charles) are a bit loose. Would you trade him on the merit of a guy who could fumble a few less times? No. Unless you were a fundamentally reeruned mother****er. Charles gets into the endzone.

Turnovers are bad. Scoring touchdowns is good. These things work in opposition to each other.

Looking at only ONE side of this is stupid as ****. The guy struggles to crack 20 TD's in the most prolific passing era the sport has ever seen. That acts as an ENORMOUS counterweight to the 'he helps the defense' argument.

And he still doesn't demonstrate a tendency to get shit done when the game is on the line.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Didn't think CP needed another Alex Smith bashing thread so I just threw this in an already made Alex Smith bashing thread...

Alex Smith gets mediocre marks in ESPN's QB rankings


ESPN’s Mike Sando has his always-interesting Quarterback Tiers project Insider out, and again it’s not very flattering for Alex Smith of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Sando talked to 35 NFL coaches and personnel types to fit every NFL starting quarterback into one of five tiers. Smith was rated in Tier 3, which Sando describes as including quarterbacks, in Sando’s words, “who are good enough to start but need lots of support, making it tougher to contend at the highest level."

Smith was also ranked 16th among the 32 starters, immediately behind Arizona’s Carson Palmer and ahead of Miami’s Ryan Tannehill.

That’s not so surprising or, from a Chiefs perspective, disappointing. The worst news in this regard is a comment from an anonymous coach whose thinking about Smith might be typical.

“At one time, I would have had Alex [in Tier] 2, but he has to be a 3 because of his arm talent," the coach said. “He has everything else, but his arm talent, his instincts to throw the ball with anticipation [are lacking]. I think it is a product of playing in so many systems. When he was young, I thought he had a chance."

Maybe Smith will improve this season and climb out of Tier 3. Maybe the addition of Jeremy Maclin, the continued development of Travis Kelce and having a healthy Jamaal Charles will boost Smith in next year’s rankings.

But from what we know now, Sando’s ranking sounds accurate.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...ns-qb-rankings

[loochy]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Didn't think CP need another Alex Smith bashing thread so I just threw this in an already made Alex Smith bashing thread...



http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...ns-qb-rankings

HOW MANY INVISIBLE TOUCHDOWNS DOES PEYTON MANNING THROW?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Didn't think CP need another Alex Smith bashing thread so I just threw this in an already made Alex Smith bashing thread...



http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...ns-qb-rankings

That's what some have been saying about Alex Smith on here since the moment the trade rumors started popping up.

But those people are just haters, surely.

[TimBone]

Alex Smith is mediocre.

Knowmo is a bundle of sticks.

[RealSNR]

Banning Knowmo makes your forum better

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Didn't think CP needed another Alex Smith bashing thread so I just threw this in an already made Alex Smith bashing thread...



http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...ns-qb-rankings

This is brand new information

[Mav]

Originally Posted by TimBone

Alex Smith is mediocre.

Knowmo is a bundle of sticks.

True story.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Mav

True story.

Completely true.

I do think we have finally settled the issue that Alex is serviceable but thats all one can hope for. I do think the rest of the team is starting to become exciting enough to get me past the loathing of traveling the SF QB road one more time.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Completely true.

I do think we have finally settled the issue that Alex is serviceable but thats all one can hope for. I do think the rest of the team is starting to become exciting enough to get me past the loathing of traveling the SF QB road one more time.

... give it time