OP Passes pit bull ban

[penguinz]

They just said on channel 9 news that this passed.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by bogie

PB owners need to be approved before they can own a PB and breeders need to be regulated on who they can sell the dogs to. I don't think we should get rid of guns, but I do believe we should regulate who can own a gun and I believe we do. We do it before the fact not after the fact.

prospective pet owners inparticular should have to take some sort of animal husbandry course.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

prospective pet owners inparticular should have to take some sort of animal husbandry course.

WTF? i don't want to marry the critters, i jes' want 'em to proteck my stash!

[Always a Chief fan]

LOL...That is true. But it is something to ponder.
I'm not fit to live around other people, that is why I put a self imposed ban on myself.I moved to the country to stay away from the lil burb wanna be gangstas with the shorts falling off. Might be a chemical urge in my brain to off some of them..J/K...LOL

[memyselfI]

Of course I don't want to ban children...

the point was that dogs and children really don't choose who raise them. As such, they are often times victims of their nuture. If they have the proclivity towards agression in their nature then being brought (nutured) by incompetent boobs is a recipe for disaster. But neither group gets a say of who raises them. They only suffer the consequences...

as such, when it comes to Pit Bulls (and Rots) I believe they need to be severely restricted and not allowed to reside in cities. If a farmer wants to own one on his 50 acres, great. But in residential bedroom communities where families reside, no.

There is no 'right' to own a pitbull, Rot, or other aggressive dog (or animal) in the constitution so this sense of entitlement is quite baffling. If there were not, oh, dozens (if not hundreds) of other breeds and types of dogs available then the owners of these might have an argument. But as it stands now they just want them because they want them and for no other reason.

[Moooo]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

link-

There won't be anything online, this was like 10 years ago. It was in Johnson County, I remember that. I looked online for another similar story, but most don't even mention anything the owner said (probably cause their lawyer advises against it).

I for one think for every instance of a nice Pit Bull going wrong, there's one of another breed doing the same thing. I think too that Pit Bull is by far THE "cool" dog to have when you want a mean dog. I found online Pit Bulls were the most popular dog in America in 1900 cause they were so "good with children."

But I have to disagree with what you said on the first page about there being no way to tell the biting force of a pit bull. Muscular structure will tell you this, along with structure of the skull and mandible.

I'm not saying its 100% true, but I will say if pit bulls have so much more CAPABLE (cause a nice dog will not chomp down) biting force than other dogs, it will be easily determined by the structure of the jaw and jowels.

Moooo

[bogie]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Maybe you should put crash helmets and knee pads on your kids for dangerous game of hopscotch. Thank god they installed those seat belts on the mary go round now you can take them to the amusement park.

If kids were getting killed playing hopscotch or on merry-go-rounds, I would do whatever was needed to protect them. I'm sure your kids lead a fuller life because you allow them to play soccer on the freeway.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by bogie

If kids were getting killed playing hopscotch or on merry-go-rounds, I would do whatever was needed to protect them. I'm sure your kids lead a fuller life because you allow them to play soccer on the freeway.

You're saying exactly what they want you to say.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by bogie

You're right, I don't know what you've tried to do to control who can or can't own a PB. I suspect that someone with your passion on the subject has probably done a lot. I don't know what emails and phone calls you've made to Legislators, Counsel Members, Mayors, Senators, Representatives etc. I'm curious, what suggestions have you given to these people on how to regulate PB owners? It has to go beyond punishing them after the fact doesn't it? PB owners need to be approved before they can own a PB and breeders need to be regulated on who they can sell the dogs to. I don't think we should get rid of guns, but I do believe we should regulate who can own a gun and I believe we do. We do it before the fact not after the fact.

For 30 years dog bites and fatalities have fluctuated annually but for the most part remained consistant as a whole. The top biters and fatalities have changed to to breed popularity. What they call a pit bull (many different breeds and mixes) is tremendously popular now. Number one biter in the bay area is actually a Lab. Everyone is willing to give that dog a break because of it's popularity and some of the bad breeding that has gone along with it. What they call a pit bull is now the 2nd most popular breed in the bay area but this breed gets no breaks because the media will only report on Pit Bull bites and all the disinformation that comes along with the breed like the locking jaws ect. You have bought into this hype. All dogs combined only average about 16-20 deaths a year. That includes dogs protecting households. The liberals will tell you guns kill 30k a year but it's actually more like 3k once you back out gang on gang violence, suicide and cops shooting criminals. There are over 2 million successful defensive gun uses in this country annually. I am sure the number is WAY higher for dogs that make criminals move on some of which people are completely unaware. That being said the people behind dog legisaltion and registration are the HSUS and the SPCA which both now are now unfortunately loaded with PETA types who would like nothing more than the complete elimination of domestic animal ownership. The HSUS made a big effort here to get California to pass BSL because they knew it would make it easier to pass it everywhere else and go after dogs nationally. They are being sued for 800 bully breeds that mysteriously disappeared after Katrina. They denied dogs beign saved like German Shepherds and Labs by rescue groups so they could kill them. These are the type of people who would control any dog regulation. Personally being the numbers are so low I am against anything on the front end unless it's a license showing you have a basic understand of how to raise a dog. Anything else people will run from because of what happened in Denver and places like that. Overland Park now.

[bogie]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You're saying exactly what they want you to say.

Damb! I thought I was doing pretty well. I'm so bad at this.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by memyselfI

Of course I don't want to ban children...

the point was that dogs and children really don't choose who raise them. As such, they are often times victims of their nuture. If they have the proclivity towards agression in their nature then being brought (nutured) by incompetent boobs is a recipe for disaster. But neither group gets a say of who raises them. They only suffer the consequences...

as such, when it comes to Pit Bulls (and Rots) I believe they need to be severely restricted and not allowed to reside in cities. If a farmer wants to own one on his 50 acres, great. But in residential bedroom communities where families reside, no.

There is no 'right' to own a pitbull, Rot, or other aggressive dog (or animal) in the constitution so this sense of entitlement is quite baffling. If there were not, oh, dozens (if not hundreds) of other breeds and types of dogs available then the owners of these might have an argument. But as it stands now they just want them because they want them and for no other reason.

I've listed endless reason for loving the breed. **** off an die you Islamic hole.

[Moooo]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

For 30 years dog bites and fatalities have fluctuated annually but for the most part remained consistant as a whole. The top biters and fatalities have changed to to breed popularity. What they call a pit bull (many different breeds and mixes) is tremendously popular now. Number one biter in the bay area is actually a Lab. Everyone is willing to give that dog a break because of it's popularity and some of the bad breeding that has gone along with it. What they call a pit bull is now the 2nd most popular breed in the bay area but this breed gets no breaks because the media will only report on Pit Bull bites and all the disinformation that comes along with the breed like the locking jaws ect. You have bought into this hype. All dogs combined only average about 16-20 deaths a year. That includes dogs protecting households. The liberals will tell you guns kill 30k a year but it's actually more like 3k once you back out gang on gang violence, suicide and cops shooting criminals. There are over 2 million successful defensive gun uses in this country annually. I am sure the number is WAY higher for dogs that make criminals move on some of which people are completely unaware. That being said the people behind dog legisaltion and registration are the HSUS and the SPCA which both now are now unfortunately loaded with PETA types who would like nothing more than the complete elimination of domestic animal ownership. The HSUS made a big effort here to get California to pass BSL because they knew it would make it easier to pass it everywhere else and go after dogs nationally. They are being sued for 800 bully breeds that mysteriously disappeared after Katrina. They denied dogs beign saved like German Shepherds and Labs by rescue groups so they could kill them. These are the type of people who would control any dog regulation. Personally being the numbers are so low I am against anything on the front end unless it's a license showing you have a basic understand of how to raise a dog. Anything else people will run from because of what happened in Denver and places like that. Overland Park now.

Just out of curiosity, what is the #1 biter that causes fatalities. I have a feeling it would be a pit bull.

The problem is, though, that people breed these dogs to attack certain people and be nice to certain people, and then they get confused once in a while. And when they do, bad things happen.

Moooo

[bogie]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

For 30 years dog bites and fatalities have fluctuated annually but for the most part remained consistant as a whole. The top biters and fatalities have changed to to breed popularity. What they call a pit bull (many different breeds and mixes) is tremendously popular now. Number one biter in the bay area is actually a Lab. Everyone is willing to give that dog a break because of it's popularity and some of the bad breeding that has gone along with it. What they call a pit bull is now the 2nd most popular breed in the bay area but this breed gets no breaks because the media will only report on Pit Bull bites and all the disinformation that comes along with the breed like the locking jaws ect. You have bought into this hype. All dogs combined only average about 16-20 deaths a year. That includes dogs protecting households. The liberals will tell you guns kill 30k a year but it's actually more like 3k once you back out gang on gang violence, suicide and cops shooting criminals. There are over 2 million successful defensive gun uses in this country annually. I am sure the number is WAY higher for dogs that make criminals move on some of which people are completely unaware. That being said the people behind dog legisaltion and registration are the HSUS and the SPCA which both now are now unfortunately loaded with PETA types who would like nothing more than the complete elimination of domestic animal ownership. The HSUS made a big effort here to get California to pass BSL because they knew it would make it easier to pass it everywhere else and go after dogs nationally. They are being sued for 800 bully breeds that mysteriously disappeared after Katrina. They denied dogs beign saved like German Shepherds and Labs by rescue groups so they could kill them. These are the type of people who would control any dog regulation. Personally being the numbers are so low I am against anything on the front end unless it's a license showing you have a basic understand of how to raise a dog. Anything else people will run from because of what happened in Denver and places like that. Overland Park now.

So... you're not doing anything to try to regulate PB ownership.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Moooo

Just out of curiosity, what is the #1 biter that causes fatalities. I have a feeling it would be a pit bull.

The problem is, though, that people breed these dogs to attack certain people and be nice to certain people, and then they get confused once in a while. And when they do, bad things happen.

Moooo

Right now what they call a pit is #1. If you look at the breed as a whole over any period of time though it is not. Over a 37 year period of time from 1965 to 2001 what they call apit bull has only been blamed for 2.8 deaths a year.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by bogie

If kids were getting killed playing hopscotch or on merry-go-rounds, I would do whatever was needed to protect them. I'm sure your kids lead a fuller life because you allow them to play soccer on the freeway.

Very, very few people die from dogs.

An estimated 350 people die every year from their bathtubs.
An estimated 500 die from asprin.

Oh my god the humanity.

Every year over 2,000 kids die from abuse or neglect from their own guardian. Where is all your outrage here?

Dogs are not big problem you have just bought the hype.

Whatever you do please don't put crash helmets and knee pads on your kids. Good god I wouldn't have to live with the knowledge of knowing you put your kids through that.

[Immaculate]

I love that people are so scared of thier own shadows, They would ban an entire breed of dogs. **** all you uppidty rich Jo-Co bundle of stickss out there who voted for this.

Anyone who want's pit bull pups PM me.