Chiefs I know everyone on CP hates Cassel..... - Page 13

Three7s · 11-16-2010, 06:02 PM

So, after listening to Petro's weekly PMS rant about people unfairly bashing Cassel, I started wondering. What would it take for people to actually.....LIKE Cassel? I don't know if there's a thread on this or not because I'm way too lazy to go through all of the Cassel bashing threads.

FWIW, I don't think Cassel is all that great either, but he can, at least, complete a pass once in awhile, unlike guys like Campbell.

What I think would sway my feelings toward him is to do what he did against the Broncos, only when it REALLY matters. I know it would go against our offensive philosophy, but teams are stacking the box on us so much that it looks like it has to be done.......so how about you guys?

Micjones · 11-17-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I think this proves the very extreme hate of everything Matty Light...

There's nothing the man can do to change some people's minds.

Chiefnj2 · 11-17-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BCD

It could with a very good QB.

Chris Chambers would be a pro bowler with Sanchez?

There would be a better pass rush? The D wouldn't completely cave in like they did against Denver and the Texans? Special teams would suddenly return to the level they played the first two weeks of the year?

patteeu · 11-17-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

There's no balance to this discussion about Matt Cassel.
It's either extreme right or extreme left.

There are people who claim he's unable to hit an open target.
The same people fail to give him credit when he does in a game like last week. They say it's because he's facing softer coverage, but why should that matter if he's so inaccurate?

Then on the other side there are those who never criticize him. They ignore the over/underthrows. They ignore how quickly he gets uncomfortable with pressure around him. They turn a blind eye to him hanging on to the ball too long.

I'm not a fan of Matt Cassel, but I can criticize him when he deserves it...
And praise him when he deserves it.

QB's stink up the joint against Prevent defenses every week.
It was maddening to see people ignore a 4 TD game (with no INT's) entirely.

I'll be the first one to tell you that that success should've come earlier in the game, but I'll never turn my nose up to that kind of performance entirely.

He's not the answer long-term. I think this team should draft a QB come April, but I also think he's done good things this year.

He has just as many TD's as he did in '09...with only a fourth as many INT's.
And there are still 7 left to play. He's also completing just under 60% of his passes. Give credit where credit is due.

There aren't really many (maybe none at all) on the extreme Matt Cassel supporter side of this argument. There are the extreme critics and the people who take a more balanced view but who may not find it necessary to join the hate wagon over every little blemish in his game. I can't think of anyone here who thinks Matt Cassel has proven himself as the long term answer at QB for the Chiefs. We have people who remain open minded about the possibility and people who have already made their decision that he's already exceeding his upside maximum (don't ask me how they get there).

patteeu · 11-17-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

This is more like it....

Damon Huard didn't get enough hate to match what GoChiefs used to get.

Hammock Parties · 11-17-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

This is more like it....

Thank you.

Damon Huard > Matt Cassel

Reerun_KC · 11-17-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Damon Huard didn't get enough hate to match what GoChiefs used to get.

Fair enough, I was using it as a comparison of his unconditional love and support for Huard...

Hammock Parties · 11-17-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Chris Chambers would be a pro bowler with Sanchez?

There would be a better pass rush? The D wouldn't completely cave in like they did against Denver and the Texans? Special teams would suddenly return to the level they played the first two weeks of the year?

The Chiefs would be about the same team they are now with Sanchez.

The only difference is they would have much greater potential.

Cassel has hit his ceiling. Sanchez is only getting better with every game.

Chiefshrink · 11-17-2010, 09:52 AM

We spent a 2nd rd on this guy and it must be understood that when Pioli brought this guy over they saw him as a rookie "NOT" as seasoned veteran. This is how upper mgmt is looking at this guy and why they are so patient.

He had only 1 season under his belt with a very superior cast around that allowed him to show his potential. "IF" Cassel doesn't take advantage of that superior cast around him then he is just a b/u QB. The problem is that his first yr here he went from a superior O-line to a "high school line" which would scar "anybody" and would take time to trust your line even if you get the time. This is why I feel he misses WRs so wide open when there is no pressure. He got spoiled in NE and was in the shotgun much of the time which didn't help. Also we must remember he just doesn't have that many snaps under center from a legit O-line until this yr.

Does he play like a back-up? Yes! And like alot of you I just sit back and shake my head. He needs to start working through the pressure of being an NFL QB.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-17-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Eloquent. Don't trouble yourself with assembling an intelligible response.
[Insert boilerplate insult and standard Cassel criticism]

I cant. No one can. You're just not getting it.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-17-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

There's nothing the man can do to change some people's minds.

Inflating his stats against a prevent D wont do it. If you think what cassel did during that 2nd half was impressive, then there is no help for you.

Chiefnj2 · 11-17-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

The Chiefs would be about the same team they are now with Sanchez.

The only difference is they would have much greater potential.

Cassel has hit his ceiling. Sanchez is only getting better with every game.

Well BCD said the Chiefs are a playoff winning team with a better QB. I disagree. KC isn't a complete team. Cassel isn't the only player holding the team back. The team still has lots of problems that have been exposed lately.

I'm not happy with Cassel. I wanted KC to make a move for Bradford, or use the early 2nd on Clausen, or late 2nd or third on McCoy. I don't think he's the answer, but I'm willing to admit he's improved some this year and part of the problems people are complaining about are a direct result of the way he's being coached this year. Open it up and let him sink or swim.

Reerun_KC · 11-17-2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BCD

Inflating his stats against a prevent D wont do it. If you think what cassel did during that 2nd half was impressive, then there is no help for you.

I was just as disturbed with the defense in the first half as you are with matty light...

Micjones · 11-17-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BCD

I cant. No one can. You're just not getting it.

Compelling.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-17-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Thats sound brilliant and all. But pretty stupid when you actually think about what you're saying.

Here is what we would have if we just followed your formula for the last 2 seasons. Since Cassel was brought in.

We would have about 150 million in salary tied up, Sanchez and Claussen. Niether of these guys looks to be what you are describing as a franchise guy. Sanchez threw 20 picks for 12 TDs and Clausen looks like a bust and not worthy of the #5 pick.

Unless you get Payton Manning QBs dont win games by themselves.

The assholes that say they can wait to develop a QB are the same assholes that are complaining while we try to develop one. Im not a big Cassel fan. But I also dont talk out of both sides of my face. I said I would give the guy a chance and thats what I will do.

Besides, when you start wishing harm on someone who is doing his job the best he can, its time to start watching golf. I get aggrivated, but damn....gain some perspective will ya?

lol, wut?! I guess he'll be "developed" by 32? Gimme a break, man. Just do it:

Walk over to the toilet in your mind, envision Cassel floating there like the big, chocolate turd he is, and hit the flush lever.

You can do this, I have Faith.

Norman Einstein · 11-17-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BCD

No, because if we win a couple playoff games, that means Cassel would not be starting.

You can't bet on that. Cassel isn't as bad as you guys want to think. He is following the game plan.

11-16-2010, 06:02 PM
Three7s MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10084719	I know everyone on CP hates Cassel..... So, after listening to Petro's weekly PMS rant about people unfairly bashing Cassel, I started wondering. What would it take for people to actually.....LIKE Cassel? I don't know if there's a thread on this or not because I'm way too lazy to go through all of the Cassel bashing threads. FWIW, I don't think Cassel is all that great either, but he can, at least, complete a pass once in awhile, unlike guys like Campbell. What I think would sway my feelings toward him is to do what he did against the Broncos, only when it REALLY matters. I know it would go against our offensive philosophy, but teams are stacking the box on us so much that it looks like it has to be done.......so how about you guys?
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