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Old 01-29-2013, 09:19 PM   #1
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Where's Cassel on that list?
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:20 PM   #2
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Where's Cassel on that list?
Right under the Toronto Argonauts waterboy.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:23 PM   #3
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IMO, arm strength is a little overblown at times. Yeah, you have to have it, to an extent, but it isn't the end all be all.


Now you can't be Pennington, that just won't cut it.

I think Geno could, with the lower body tweets and better mechanics, easily get into the upper half, but he just doesn't have the physical skill some of those guys do.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:34 PM   #4
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IMO, arm strength is a little overblown at times. Yeah, you have to have it, to an extent, but it isn't the end all be all.


Now you can't be Pennington, that just won't cut it.

I think Geno could, with the lower body tweets and better mechanics, easily get into the upper half, but he just doesn't have the physical skill some of those guys do.
Get into the upper half?

Which 16 are above him WITHOUT THE TWEAKS?
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:24 PM   #5
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I'll take a guy with elite accuracy and timing and a good to great arm, than a guy with an elite cannon and questionable accuracy.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:31 PM   #6
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i have no doubt geno would be in the top half of the league fixing his footwork.

Elite arm strength would be Kaep, vick, stafford, rodgers, cutler, luck, flacco
i think next level would be eli, big ben, freeman, tannehill, rg3.
Think geno could be in the next level maybe just under those guys.

I'm not going to lie i would love to have someone with elite arm strength and accuracy, but would rather have above average arm and accuracy like others have said. Elite is just cool for that wow factor.
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Arm strength is probably the most undervalued quality in terms of modern analysis of the position.
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Arm strength is probably the most undervalued quality in terms of modern analysis of the position.
It can be pretty overrated as well though.

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Old 01-29-2013, 09:41 PM   #9
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Arm strength is probably the most undervalued quality in terms of modern analysis of the position.
I think it went from wildly overrated to wildly underrated.

I don't recall who, maybe Duncan, that pointed out that Geno has good arm strength but not so great so that he can make all throws from all angles and I think that's a perfect way to put it.

Guys like Cutler and Stafford can just rip the ball with mechanics falling to shit and a maelstrom swirling around them. Meanwhile a guy like Cassel could throw a ball fairly hard if he had absolutely perfect mechanics and a clear pocket to step into and fire.

Geno isn't nearly as bad as Cassel but he does need his mechanics to get a piss rocket out there. But unlike a lot of guys in this league, when he has his legs under him, he can get you a hell of a fastball into tightly closing windows.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:45 PM   #10
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I think it went from wildly overrated to wildly underrated.

I don't recall who, maybe Duncan, that pointed out that Geno has good arm strength but not so great so that he can make all throws from all angles and I think that's a perfect way to put it.
Agree with all of this, including duncan's assessment. Imagine that dude finally contributing something of value...

I should revise my previous statement from "modern analysis" to "current analysis," since it's not like 1998 was the pre-modern world, though technological advancements might suggest otherwise.
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IF he consistently gets his footwork where it needs to be, I'd put him about on par with Eli or Luck, maybe Roethlisberger.


Which is certainly adequate, hell more than adequate, it's perfect. It seems alot of those guys who have rockets struggle with touch and accuracy.
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hey DJ have you studied much on the other QB's? mainly barkley? your thoughts on barkley? he's probably my front runner for QB but thats just me. I think his arm strength is under estimated as he throws alot of touch passes. Seen him rifle them in there when needed. He's at IMG aswell isn't he?
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After this conversation, I anxiously await us taking him and seeing his improvement under a QB guru like Reid that knows what to look for and how to coach the flaws out.
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My biggest thing against Geno, is that when things start breaking down, those are the times his fundamentals go to shit and he falls too much in love with his touch at times.


Thats the best thing about Brady. His mechanics are pretty much flawless. He doesn't really have a great arm, but a good solid arm with elite elite accuracy.
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My biggest thing against Geno, is that when things start breaking down, those are the times his fundamentals go to shit and he falls too much in love with his touch at times.


Thats the best thing about Brady. His mechanics are pretty much flawless. He doesn't really have a great arm, but a good solid arm with elite elite accuracy.
NFL coaching will do that.

I'm not heavily impressed with Dana, tbh.
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