Pastor refuses to tip "I give GOD 10% why do you get 18%"

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Dayze

however, if I'm sitting at a bar, I'll tip on the drink like a buck or two. but, if I have 3 beers, the bartender looks like at me like I"m cheap for not tipping on those.

If I'm having several drinks etc, I'll tip ever couple drinks. But I"m not paying $7.5 for a beer, then added a buck to it for each one.

This makes no sense to me. Tipping for a drink. It's literally, hey man can I have a beer, wait 2 seconds. Ok thanks. That's worth 1-2 dollars? I get it if you are sitting at the bar with a tab. But if I walk my happy ass up to the bar that should not warrant a tip.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by BWillie

This makes no sense to me. Tipping for a drink. It's literally, hey man can I have a beer, wait 2 seconds. Ok thanks. That's worth 1-2 dollars? I get it if you are sitting at the bar with a tab. But if I walk my happy ass up to the bar that should not warrant a tip.

I had a realization last year that since I don't drink I don't tip as much. So if I'm in a sports bar or pub-type restaurant and I order the ribs, salad, and soda, I'm a lower-dollar tipper than the guy at the next table who ordered the ribs, salad, and two beers, even if we tip the same percentage. But I'm probably just as much work.

So I'll ask the people with restaurant experience. Do I get sneered at if I'm the 10 percent that doesn't order alcohol? Am I perceived to be a "cheap tipper" even though I tip the same amount?

I'd honestly never thought about this, but it really started bothering me. I've even started upgrading my tips if I'm in a place where most people are drinking alcohol.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I had a realization last year that since I don't drink I don't tip as much. So if I'm in a sports bar or pub-type restaurant and I order the ribs, salad, and soda, I'm a lower-dollar tipper than the guy at the next table who ordered the ribs, salad, and two beers, even if we tip the same percentage. But I'm probably just as much work.

So I'll ask the people with restaurant experience. Do I get sneered at if I'm the 10 percent that doesn't order alcohol? Am I perceived to be a "cheap tipper" even though I tip the same amount?

I'd honestly never thought about this, but it really started bothering me. I've even started upgrading my tips if I'm in a place where most people are drinking alcohol.

nah water drinkers don't bother me one bit...and I also don't think of water drinkers as cheap, either

but if you watch a football game for 3 hours and I refill your drink 5-10 times...you should probably tip on bill + an hourly rate in all honesty...

I'll sit at BW3 for a Chiefs game and drink water and if my bill is $15 I'll usually leave $10 if I'm there for the whole game since I took an entire table out of someone's section...and even then they probably still aren't making what they deserve.

We'd go to our bar, drink $15 $1 beers and eat once...have a $25 bill and our hot waitress would wait on us the whole time (5+ hours on football Sunday) and we'd all give her a $20 tip to make it worth her while. They LOVED us there. Of course, it's a townie bar and we were the only football regulars for their Sunday ticket...and lets just say by 6 PM things got a little out of control.

But yeah, you should tip on time seated as well...which some people don't get.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

nah water drinkers don't bother me one bit...and I also don't think of water drinkers as cheap, either

but if you watch a football game for 3 hours and I refill your drink 5-10 times...you should probably tip on bill + an hourly rate in all honesty...

I'll sit at BW3 for a Chiefs game and drink water and if my bill is $15 I'll usually leave $10 if I'm there for the whole game since I took an entire table out of someone's section...and even then they probably still aren't making what they deserve.

We'd go to our bar, drink $15 $1 beers and eat once...have a $25 bill and our hot waitress would wait on us the whole time (5+ hours on football Sunday) and we'd all give her a $20 tip to make it worth her while. They LOVED us there. Of course, it's a townie bar and we were the only football regulars for their Sunday ticket...and lets just say by 6 PM things got a little out of control.

But yeah, you should tip on time seated as well...which some people don't get.

Seated time was my other realization. The sports bar I went to this year was ludicrously cheap. I'd get an appetizer and a meal and water and it would come to like $12. So I'd give them a $10 tip because I felt guilty for sitting there for three hours.

I really want to give this restaurant some free consulting. They have no expensive menu items to bring the average bill up, and they don't serve any desserts, and they do unlimited chips and salsa if you buy it for $4. I go in there and as a non-drinker it's almost impossible for me to spend more than $15. My wife says they don't care about me because they're more interested in selling booze, but I still think they're leaving a lot of money on the table by having a poorly planned food menu.

[Hootie]

I'll be honest...I really never got mad when I didn't get tipped well. I received so many ridiculous tips I felt like at worst it evened out.

I wasn't a big chatter, I was friendly enough I was just super efficient, never let a glass get empty, never messed up orders, used common sense, and made sure my order of operations never get out of sync and when things would go awry to keep every guest informed of every situation they needed to know...

I'd get between 20-30% 9 times out of 10. The only people who annoyed me were people who would start asking personal questions like "what's your major" etc...

Hated that shit. I didn't like the customers who wasted my time with "chit chat" but it's part of the job. The only part I didn't like.

[QuikSsurfer]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I'll be honest...I really never got mad when I didn't get tipped well. I received so many ridiculous tips I felt like at worst it evened out.

I wasn't a big chatter, I was friendly enough I was just super efficient, never let a glass get empty, never messed up orders, used common sense, and made sure my order of operations never get out of sync and when things would go awry to keep every guest informed of every situation they needed to know...

I'd get between 20-30% 9 times out of 10. The only people who annoyed me were people who would start asking personal questions like "what's your major" etc...

Hated that shit. I didn't like the customers who wasted my time with "chit chat" but it's part of the job. The only part I didn't like.

As a customer, we appreciate the chit chat. I'm not going to keep a server that just got triple-sat and is already in the weeds... But nothing wrong with a friendly conversation... I made some great connections while I was waiting tables -- some networking that definitely helped jumpstart my career.
You sound like a cocky, arrogant, **** that just chose the profession so you could pull some young hostess ass.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer

As a customer, we appreciate the chit chat. I'm not going to keep a server that just got triple-sat and is already in the weeds... But nothing wrong with a friendly conversation... I made some great connections while I was waiting tables -- some networking that definitely helped jumpstart my career.
You sound like a cocky, arrogant, **** that just chose the profession so you could pull some young hostess ass.

There are two types of good servers...one of them are the good chit-chatters as long as they can multi-task well enough to be competent at the REAL purpose of their jobs. I've ran across a few of these in my days.

Shit, if I ran a restaurant...I wouldn't even mind having a few on staff that weren't good at running their own food because there are certain customers that are simply their for the chit chat...

but I'm definitely employing guys like me over a bunch of chatty kathies...which makes guys like me work twice as hard since I have to run all of their ****ing food and get all of their ****ing refills after I run their god damn food.

[Johnny Vegas]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I'll be honest...I really never got mad when I didn't get tipped well. I received so many ridiculous tips I felt like at worst it evened out.

I wasn't a big chatter, I was friendly enough I was just super efficient, never let a glass get empty, never messed up orders, used common sense, and made sure my order of operations never get out of sync and when things would go awry to keep every guest informed of every situation they needed to know...

I'd get between 20-30% 9 times out of 10. The only people who annoyed me were people who would start asking personal questions like "what's your major" etc...

Hated that shit. I didn't like the customers who wasted my time with "chit chat" but it's part of the job. The only part I didn't like.

Definitely. I can chit chat when its slow, but once the herd pours in its really hard to be patient with each conversation when you're trying to make everyone happy. One table won't like all the gab you have with another table and then it starts. They want to gab with you then so on and so on. Pretty soon food is getting cold, drinks aren't refilled and a new table doesn't have their menus yet. Then you have to excuse yourself from all that and you can't help but notice by the small tip they left you they were butthurt by the lack of service you gave "socially" not by how the actual attentiveness to detail was when it gets busy. I do like how some acknowledge that you're busy and are polite to let you do your thing and not take a survey over the last 4 years of your life.

[Fish]

... I love how the waiters always out themselves in tipping threads.

The truth is that tipping is a seriously flawed business process where the restaurant is essentially passing off part of the responsibility of adequate wage for the waiter, on to the customer. And it's done so as "Optional, but **** YOU SUCK YOUR OWN SHIT IF YOU DON'T". It's very flawed because by design it never works the way it's supposed to, and when it doesn't, it always the waiter that gets ****ed in the ass. But restaurants have gamed it so that instead of the waiter getting mad at the restaurant for making part of their wage "Optional", that anger is passed off on to the customer. Who may or may not give 2 ****s about the whole thing, or could be completely ignorant about how the process is supposed to work.

Very flawed....

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Fish

... I love how the waiters always out themselves in tipping threads.

The truth is that tipping is a seriously flawed business process where the restaurant is essentially passing off part of the responsibility of adequate wage for the waiter, on to the customer. And it's done so as "Optional, but **** YOU SUCK YOUR OWN SHIT IF YOU DON'T". It's very flawed because by design it never works the way it's supposed to, and when it doesn't, it always the waiter that gets ****ed in the ass. But restaurants have gamed it so that instead of the waiter getting mad at the restaurant for making part of their wage "Optional", that anger is passed off on to the customer. Who may or may not give 2 ****s about the whole thing, or could be completely ignorant about how the process is supposed to work.

Very flawed....

Getting paid above and beyond for service that is above and beyond is a STAPLE in the service industry. Incentive-based pay isn't unique to food service.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Getting paid above and beyond for service that is above and beyond is a STAPLE in the service industry. Incentive-based pay isn't unique to food service.

But it's not truly incentive-based pay. It's not consistent enough to qualify. It's still dependent on the consumer which, as evidenced by this thread, can have wildly differing opinions on where that incentive should start and stop. Or even if the incentive itself is warranted. A waiter can give above and beyond service, and the consumer could be 110% satisfied, and still not give a tip for whatever illogical reason. And there's absolutely nothing that could be done in a situation like that. Waiter is SOL, despite doing nothing wrong.

I understand it's a staple in the industry, but other cultures have clearly shown that it's not actually necessary. Sometimes the rewards can outweigh the risk for the waiter, which is obviously why they tolerate it. But it's still a very flawed practice.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Fish

But it's not truly incentive-based pay. It's not consistent enough to qualify. It's still dependent on the consumer which, as evidenced by this thread, can have wildly differing opinions on where that incentive should start and stop. Or even if the incentive itself is warranted. A waiter can give above and beyond service, and the consumer could be 110% satisfied, and still not give a tip for whatever illogical reason. And there's absolutely nothing that could be done in a situation like that. Waiter is SOL, despite doing nothing wrong.

I understand it's a staple in the industry, but other cultures have clearly shown that it's not actually necessary. Sometimes the rewards can outweigh the risk for the waiter, which is obviously why they tolerate it. But it's still a very flawed practice.

I get this. Totally. Good post.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Fish

... I love how the waiters always out themselves in tipping threads.

The truth is that tipping is a seriously flawed business process where the restaurant is essentially passing off part of the responsibility of adequate wage for the waiter, on to the customer. And it's done so as "Optional, but **** YOU SUCK YOUR OWN SHIT IF YOU DON'T". It's very flawed because by design it never works the way it's supposed to, and when it doesn't, it always the waiter that gets ****ed in the ass. But restaurants have gamed it so that instead of the waiter getting mad at the restaurant for making part of their wage "Optional", that anger is passed off on to the customer. Who may or may not give 2 ****s about the whole thing, or could be completely ignorant about how the process is supposed to work.

Very flawed....

I agree with you man. Depenind on where I worked I made between $16-$30 an hour waiting tables.

That's just WAY too high for the work I did, and I always laughed and laughed when I was done because I couldn't believe I could wait on a table for 30-40 minutes and make $15-$30 off at that table just by being competent.

It's why I fell for the "waiter trap" and waited tables for so many years. I was good at it, it paid the bills, and I got to score with a lot of hot, young co-workers.

It was the life. Until I woke up and was 26 and still waiting tables and still hitting on 19 year olds. I thought...is this going to be cool when I'm 35? Then I ran away.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I agree with you man. Depenind on where I worked I made between $16-$30 an hour waiting tables.

That's just WAY too high for the work I did, and I always laughed and laughed when I was done because I couldn't believe I could wait on a table for 30-40 minutes and make $15-$30 off at that table just by being competent.

It's why I fell for the "waiter trap" and waited tables for so many years. I was good at it, it paid the bills, and I got to score with a lot of hot, young co-workers.

It was the life. Until I woke up and was 26 and still waiting tables and still hitting on 19 year olds. I thought...is this going to be cool when I'm 35? Then I ran away.

[The Franchise]

Does anyone ever tip ON TOP of the gratuity?