Romo/Rivers/Cutler..career losers or franchise QBs?

[Deberg_1990]

Whats your take on these guys? Would these guys be 5-0 on the Chiefs.....or do they make too many mistakes and turnovers in critical situations? Sure, they put up great "box scores" , but so did Jeff George......

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You're only perceiving him that way because he's not constantly yelling at people (which one could argue from some of these guys is more fake than anything). There's no reason to think he doesn't care about what he's doing.

If that's true, at this point he may want to "play it up" a bit. To most of us he looks like he's just happy to pull a fat paycheck.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Your selective memory tells you that. Unfortunately, the facts simply don't.


Yeah, that's because he plays for a shit team and likely always will unless he forces a trade out of there. It doesn't mean he's not a good QB, though. Winning a championship is team based.

No argument from me that the Cowboys aren't a good team, they have good players but need better coaching and a real GM. But Romo is a choker and until he wins he will always have that label.

The Cowboys have lost the last eight games in which Romo has thrown a fourth-quarter interception, with six of those losses coming by seven points or fewer.

Since 2010, Romo's Total QBR in the first 12 minutes of the fourth quarter/OT is 80. That's second-best in the NFL behind Peyton Manning. However, his QBR drops to a below-average 44 in the game's final three minutes.

Most INT in 4th Quarter or OT
Score Tied or Leading by 7 or Fewer




And he's not only making these mistakes as the Cowboys attempt to rally from late deficits. Eight of Romo's fourth-quarter interceptions have come with the Cowboys tied or leading by one score - that's the most in the NFL in that span.

[Red Dawg]

All three career losers.

[ChiefsCountry]

If Romo played for the Cardinals or Titans or Jaguars or something like that, nobody would really give a shit about him or hear about him being a choker. The Cowboys hype is what blows him up.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

No argument from me that the Cowboys aren't a good team, they have good players but need better coaching and a real GM. But Romo is a choker and until he wins he will always have that label.

Yep, that's the same blind ignorance I saw with LeBron for so many years (and still do for the real haters). Winning isn't based on how good your QB is, it's based on how good your team is. And the Cowboys, of course, have been bad for a long time (and will likely continue to be as long as Jones is running the team). Talk all you want about interceptions (funny how the "clutch" Brady is right there with him on the same list), but the fact is that Romo is a top 10 QB in the NFL whose mere presence is keeping that team at .500.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

If that's true, at this point he may want to "play it up" a bit. To most of us he looks like he's just happy to pull a fat paycheck.

So you'd prefer him be fake than be real is what you're saying. Just to play it up for the cameras. What is that supposed to prove? It's certainly not going to make him a better QB.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Yep, that's the same blind ignorance I saw with LeBron for so many years (and still do for the real haters). Winning isn't based on how good your QB is, it's based on how good your team is. And the Cowboys, of course, have been bad for a long time (and will likely continue to be as long as Jones is running the team). Talk all you want about interceptions (funny how the "clutch" Brady is right there with him on the same list), but the fact is that Romo is a top 10 QB in the NFL whose mere presence is keeping that team at .500.

Umm no. In order to win in today's NFL you have to have a very good to elite QB. That is why I don't think the Chiefs will win anything with AS and I damn well know that Romo will never win anything because he will make a stupid play at the end of the game.

And he is not a Top 10 QB, maybe Top 15-20 if that.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

So you'd prefer him be fake than be real is what you're saying. Just to play it up for the cameras. What is that supposed to prove? It's certainly not going to make him a better QB.

No, I wish he'd do it for real. I wish Alex would do it for real. I'd like our WRs to get into Alex's face for some of the shit throws he's made.

As much as I hate Ray Lewis, I certainly like the passion he brought to the game. Something I think is largely missing from this team - at least not until it's too late.

[dirk digler]

QB's that would take over Romo in no particular order:

1. Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Eli Manning
4. Rivers
5. Flacco
6. Brees
7. Rodgers
8. Big Ben
9. Flacco
10. Matt Ryan
11. Andrew Luck
12. Russell Wilson
13. Kapernick
14. Dalton
15. Stafford
16. Cam Newton

[scho63]

Romoceptions are so special!

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

QB's that would take over Romo in no particular order:

1. Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Eli Manning
4. Rivers
5. Flacco
6. Brees
7. Rodgers
8. Big Ben
9. Flacco
10. Matt Ryan
11. Andrew Luck
12. Russell Wilson
13. Kapernick
14. Dalton
15. Stafford
16. Cam Newton

and your Avi's tits too....

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Umm no. In order to win in today's NFL you have to have a very good to elite QB.

If winning a Super Bowl was all about how good your QB was, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers would have won every title over the last decade and a half and guys like Trent Dilfer would never have sniffed one. There's more to winning than good quarterback play as the Cowboys have shown for years (and as the Dolphins showed for so many years under Marino).

That is why I don't think the Chiefs will win anything with AS and I damn well know that Romo will never win anything because he will make a stupid play at the end of the game.

Selective memory. He does it really no more often than any other starting QB. In fact, the stats show him to be better in close and late situations than most other QBs in this league.

And he is not a Top 10 QB, maybe Top 15-20 if that.

If you seriously believe that, you either have no idea how to evaluate QBs or just have completely overestimated just how many good QBs there are in this league. Likely both if you're making ridiculous claims like that.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

QB's that would take over Romo in no particular order:

1. Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Eli Manning
4. Rivers
5. Flacco
6. Brees
7. Rodgers
8. Big Ben
9. Flacco
10. Matt Ryan
11. Andrew Luck
12. Russell Wilson
13. Kapernick
14. Dalton
15. Stafford
16. Cam Newton

If you believe a scrub like Andy Dalton is better than a guy with a top 5 passer rating of all time, there's really no point in continuing this discussion. There's making a reasonable counter argument and then there isn't.

I do, however, find it funny that Rivers is on that list of yours considering all the same criticisms about Romo have been made about him (and they're all just as applicable now as ever).

[Easy 6]

man Connection, are you and Tony facebook buddies or something?

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by scott free

man Connection, are you and Tony facebook buddies or something?

Ha, I remember when some here said something similar about me and LeBron 3 years ago when I actually had to argue that he was the best player in the NBA. No, I'm just choosing reason and good sense with this, not bowing down to the oversimplified media narratives.