Royals (New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository - Page 137

duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Prison Bitch · 11-09-2013, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

People want to get rid of Billy Butler because he doesn't hit 30+ HRs. We should just trade him for one of the 14 guys in the entire major leagues that does. I'm sure we could do that.

He hit 29 last year, are those numbers unrealistic expectations for a do-nothing DH in the prime of his career making $8M?

duncan_idaho · 11-09-2013, 10:46 PM

Yeah, I'm not hung up on 30 hr like so many seem. All I care about is adding some valuable offensive players.

Neither Howie Kendrick nor Jhonny Peralta is going to hit 30 bombs, but either would be an enormous upgrade for KC's offense.

I think they could live with Beltran playing RF in 120 ga!as, but I'm not going to lose it if they don't.

Hart and Cruz are just about as worthless out there. Not sure people are remembering that.

SPchief · 11-09-2013, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah, I'm not hung up on 30 hr like so many seem. All I care about is adding some valuable offensive players.

Neither Howie Kendrick nor Jhonny Peralta is going to hit 30 bombs, but either would be an enormous upgrade for KC's offense.

I think they could live with Beltran playing RF in 120 ga!as, but I'm not going to lose it if they don't.

Hart and Cruz are just about as worthless out there. Not sure people are remembering that.

While I've been on board with the idea of bringing in Beltran, he's looking for 3-4 years. Someone's gonna give it to him and I'd rather it not be us.

duncan_idaho · 11-09-2013, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SPchief

While I've been on board with the idea of bringing in Beltran, he's looking for 3-4 years. Someone's gonna give it to him and I'd rather it not be us.

Yeah, it seems like he might be bound for the Yankees, too. 3-4 years for him would be very risky.

**DeezNutz** · 11-09-2013, 10:59 PM

Totally agree with the general sentiment in this thread:

Offense, offense, offense. Then try to strike a deal for a SP. I'm just not quite as worried about the latter because of Ventura, Duffy, and Zimmer.

O.city · 11-09-2013, 11:02 PM

If you guys sign Beltran, do you lose your first round pick?

tk13 · 11-09-2013, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Totally agree with the general sentiment in this thread:

Offense, offense, offense. Then try to strike a deal for a SP. I'm just not quite as worried about the latter because of Ventura, Duffy, and Zimmer.

Plus the reality is for this team to really compete at a championship level... one or two of these SP prospects have to pan out. They just have to. Unless you can get a Schilling/Johnson, or hire Dave Duncan and win with Carpenter/Suppan/Weaver... most all teams have a couple starters they develop, even the big market teams.

**DeezNutz** · 11-09-2013, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Plus the reality is for this team to really compete at a championship level... one or two of these SP prospects have to pan out. They just have to. Unless you can get a Schilling/Johnson, or hire Dave Duncan and win with Carpenter/Suppan/Weaver... most all teams have a couple starters they develop, even the big market teams.

Yeah, I agree.

And I really don't want to trade for two years of Price or some similar bullshit. Naturally, these would be two good years, but I'm moving Ventura out of the "prospect" category just a bit.

And damn if Zimmer doesn't seem like a very quick riser. Hell, we might see him next year.

Nightfyre · 11-09-2013, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Yeah, I agree.

And I really don't want to trade for two years of Price or some similar bullshit. Naturally, these would be two good years, but I'm moving Ventura out of the "prospect" category just a bit.

And damn if Zimmer doesn't seem like a very quick riser. Hell, we might see him next year.

We're due for some good luck developing a starting pitcher as far as I am concerned. Especially after Montgomery/Lamb and even Dwyer getting hung up.

**lewdog** · 11-10-2013, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

We're due for some good luck developing a starting pitcher as far as I am concerned. Especially after Montgomery/Lamb and even Dwyer getting hung up.

Ah the old "due" line. Nightfrye, I expect better from you. We've been "due" for so much for so long. Being "due" gets your no where in baseball.

**alnorth** · 11-10-2013, 09:55 PM

Luis Mendoza is out. A Japanese team just announced an agreement to acquire him.

Ebolapox · 11-10-2013, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Luis Mendoza is out. A Japanese team just announced an agreement to acquire him.

that blows... thought we had a few more years of control there

Nightfyre · 11-10-2013, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog

Ah the old "due" line. Nightfrye, I expect better from you. We've been "due" for so much for so long. Being "due" gets your no where in baseball.

Let me have my wishful thinking! Don't take it from me, its all I've got left for this franchise. We have been forsaken by the baseball gods for so long...

Coach · 11-10-2013, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

Luis Mendoza is out. A Japanese team just announced an agreement to acquire him.

Fine with me. He wasn't any good here anyways.

CoMoChief · 11-10-2013, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

that blows... thought we had a few more years of control there

how does that blow? he sucks

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1370308	(New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository New thread, this time with more burst. Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?
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