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**Tribal Warfare** · 01-15-2012, 01:13 AM

Now is the time for Chiefs to make bold move at QB
By SAM MELLINGER
The Kansas City Star

The old personnel man wants a promise you won’t use his name. He will talk to you, and say exactly what he thinks, but doesn’t want to be the one using a public forum like the local newspaper to tell Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli how to do his job.

It’s just that the man spent a few decades being paid to evaluate NFL talent and he can’t look at the Chiefs without seeing what he thinks is obvious.

“They need a quarterback,” the man says. “Matt Cassel is fine, but look at the league now, the way things are, you need to do better than Matt Cassel. At least bring in someone to compete.”

This is the Chiefs’ major decision now. It is real, even if the decision-makers are maintaining their usual silence. Cassel is the incumbent, and there are no indications that the most important opinions on him are wavering.

But the costs of moving on have never been lower, the potential benefits never been higher, and the timing never better. The easy thing is to see that the Chiefs need to get better at quarterback.

The harder thing is thinking through the options and making the necessary sacrifices.

• • •

That whole Suck For Luck thing is nonsense. A nonstarter. NFL teams don’t throw seasons, and they certainly don’t make progress by throwing seasons.

But right now, it’s impossible not to think about it.

Because the Chiefs will own the 11th or 12th pick in April’s draft — it’ll be decided by a coin flip with Seattle — and that’s just too far to trade into the first (Andrew Luck) or second (Robert Griffin III) pick. Whatever chance the Chiefs had to draft one of this class’ premier quarterbacks died when they won seven games.

Shawn Zobel, who runs DraftHeadquarters.com, thinks a realistic framework for the Chiefs to move into the No. 2 pick would be roughly what Atlanta gave up last year to move from No. 27 to No. 6 in order to take Julio Jones: two first-round picks, one second, and two fourths.

The NFL’s new CBA includes cost-control on rookies, plus the Browns have extra picks from the trade with Atlanta, so it would be an enormous stretch for the Chiefs to make the best offer. Either way, it would be a staggering haul that didn’t help the Falcons, plus left them without a first- or fourth-round pick this year.

Griffin’s potential is real, but the Chiefs have too many other needs — starting with an offensive line that needs to get both younger and better — to do that. Besides, trading up is entirely out of Pioli’s track record.

We also know that re-signing Kyle Orton is both uncertain (he’ll have other options) and entirely inadequate. That leaves two options for a bold move: take a quarterback with the first-round pick, or go big with someone else’s quarterback.

A first-round pick probably means Texas A&M’s Ryan Tannehill. He’s a former wide receiver with only a season and a half as a starting quarterback, so he’s raw, especially with quarterback intricacies like pre-snap reads and progressing through receivers. He recently broke his foot but is expected to recover.

The last option is the one that makes the most sense. Peyton Manning is the sexy name, of course, and the obvious and sad irony is that the Chiefs haven’t won a playoff game since the last time they brought in someone else’s aching Hall of Fame quarterback, Joe Montana.

Manning would be a no-brainer, both in terms of football and public relations. The problem is the list of what would have to happen — his neck fully heals, the Colts let him go, and he decides he wants to play somewhere else — is wrought with uncertainty.

The positive is that the Chiefs are in a place to offer Manning a talented roster with a coaching staff that could still be suited to him and a presumably winnable division.

Matt Flynn is the best free agent, though the Packers could use the franchise tag to keep him as their backup. Flynn drove up his price by throwing for six touchdowns and a franchise-record 480 yards in the season finale against Detroit, and was also good (24 of 37 passing, 251 yards, three touchdowns and an interception) in his one start last season.

But here’s the irony: his profile is an awful lot like Matt Cassel’s was three years ago. Both are career backups to Hall of Famers. Both have benefitted from being in wildly successful systems. Flynn will be 27 when the season begins, just like Cassel was when he began with the Chiefs.

It’s a small sample, but perhaps instructive that of two NFL personnel men who spoke for this column, one said he liked Cassel more three years ago than he likes Flynn now.

That’s OK. There aren’t many certainties in the NFL, but here’s one: the Chiefs are in a promising place that can best be ruined by lacking the guts to do something bold.

• • •

The advantage the Chiefs have in searching for a better quarterback situation is in timing first, and resources second.

Romeo Crennel hasn’t hired an offensive coordinator, or even given much of an indication on which coaches will be back. That gives him an opportunity to sync the new staff with whatever decision is made about the quarterback.

Acquiring someone else’s quarterback — Manning or Flynn — comes with an added benefit. The Chiefs have plenty of salary-cap space, and could structure any deal in such a way to make the most out of the league-mandated spending minimum that begins in the 2013 season.

The quote at the top of this column is a pretty good summation. Cassel is fine. He’s had four seasons as a starting quarterback. Twice he won 10 games, once he played for a team that had no chance, and the other he got hurt.

But this narrative from the Chiefs that Cassel is young and developing needs to stop. He turns 30 in May. He’s started 54 games. Rookies are coming into the NFL ready.

Cassel told The Star last week he wouldn’t mind if the Chiefs made him compete for the job. Nothing that happened last season indicates that competition would come from Ricky Stanzi.

The Chiefs have the chassis for a good football team, now and into the future. Much of that is because of the improvement of players such as Tamba Hali and Jamaal Charles and Pioli’s ability to sign them long-term.

Since Pioli took over three years ago, two of the most consistent limits on the team have been his unwillingness to make bold personnel acquisitions and the quarterback.

This offseason presents the perfect chance to change that.

FloridaMan88 · 01-15-2012, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

The Giants gave up Philip Rivers, Nate Kaeding, Roidman, and Roman Oben. They got Eli Manning. The Chargers got 4 pro-bowlers, the Giants got a Super Bowl win, and look like they could get another this year....

There isn't a person in NY that doesn't make that trade again. Bold moves win Super Bowls.

Agreed.

The constraints of mediocrity are preventing people on this board from even considering the possibility of the Chiefs trading up to draft RGIII.

O.city · 01-15-2012, 09:03 PM

I wouldn't mind getting RGIII, but I'd love to have Luck.

I think this roster is ready for a run and Luck could be ready in 2 years.

evolve27 · 01-15-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I wouldn't mind getting RGIII, but I'd love to have Luck.

I think this roster is ready for a run and Luck could be ready in 2 years.

Id go fuggin bezerk if we were to get Luck. I'd give future first round picks and more for him to be a Chief. Polio will eradicate the Chiefs before he pulls off a bold move like that though.

NJChiefsFan · 01-15-2012, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

This.

Or by some grace of God's anointed NFL disciple, all the teams above us needing a qb sign free agents or decide to keep the guys they have and RGIII falls into our laps.

The issue I see with this is that I still don't think he makes it us. For example, say KC was sitting at the Browns spot. The Chiefs have cut Cassel and signed Orton. Do you still draft RG3. I do, and thats why I think other teams getting a vet QB does not take them out of the RG3 race.

Bewbies · 01-15-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I wouldn't mind getting RGIII, but I'd love to have Luck.

I think this roster is ready for a run and Luck could be ready in 2 years.

Luck is more of a Pioli pick. Higher floor, lower ceiling. I don't think he even gets to have a discussion about drafting Luck though. I don't see Indy moving off that pick for anything other than STL wanting to trade up to take RG3. (which of course isn't happening)

tredadda · 01-15-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

I think everybody realizes the importance of a franchise QB, but trading 3 firsts can really cripple your team.

Well in the last three years we kept our 1sts and got TJ, Berry, and Baldwin. We still finished 7-9 this year. Why? Because our QB play was absolutely atrocious. 1st round picks are too overvalued. It is assumed every 1st rounder will succeed. That is just not the case. I have no problems giving up three first rounders for Luck. One franchise QB is worth more to a team than three "potential" 1st round players. Besides there is still rounds 2-7 for the next two years to draft talent (as the first year would essentially be swapping of firsts).

tredadda · 01-15-2012, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The Chiefs, at this point have too much talent to get a high enough pick in the next few years to get a quarterback, unless he falls to us.

Everybody cross your fingers that something crazy happens this year and RGIII falls to us at 11.

With the Chiefs luck tho, they will lose the coinflip to the Seahawks and RGIII will fall to 11 and get picked by them

^ This. This is our best chance to trade up for a stud QB for the foreseeable future.

NJChiefsFan · 01-15-2012, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

Well in the last three years we kept our 1sts and got TJ, Berry, and Baldwin. We still finished 7-9 this year. Why? Because our QB play was absolutely atrocious. 1st round picks are too overvalued. It is assumed every 1st rounder will succeed. That is just not the case. I have no problems giving up three first rounders for Luck. One franchise QB is worth more to a team than three "potential" 1st round players. Besides there is still rounds 2-7 for the next two years to draft talent (as the first year would essentially be swapping of firsts).

I agree. That being said, its unfair to say our team ended up 7-9 despite our top picks when Berry was out all season and Baldwin hasn't had any time to develop.

Like you said, if you take our past picks and figure we get similiar value the next two years drafts, would you trade it for Luck or RG3. I certainly would.

Bewbies · 01-15-2012, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

The issue I see with this is that I still don't think he makes it us. For example, say KC was sitting at the Browns spot. The Chiefs have cut Cassel and signed Orton. Do you still draft RG3. I do, and thats why I think other teams getting a vet QB does not take them out of the RG3 race.

Flynn or Manning are the only QB's that fit that I would think. I tend to agree with folks that think Cleveland goes after Flynn. Totally Holmgren's MO.

NJChiefsFan · 01-15-2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

Flynn or Manning are the only QB's that fit that I would think. I tend to agree with folks that think Cleveland goes after Flynn. Totally Holmgren's MO.

The wildcard will be how many GB coaches go to how many teams and if they make an arguement to get him.

Okie_Apparition · 01-15-2012, 11:23 PM

Stanzi needs more meat on his bones
but if that corn fed Iowia titty can't do the job
things aren't looking good

01-15-2012, 01:13 AM
Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $522813	Mellinger: Now is the time for Chiefs to make bold move at QB Now is the time for Chiefs to make bold move at QB By SAM MELLINGER The Kansas City Star The old personnel man wants a promise you won’t use his name. He will talk to you, and say exactly what he thinks, but doesn’t want to be the one using a public forum like the local newspaper to tell Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli how to do his job. It’s just that the man spent a few decades being paid to evaluate NFL talent and he can’t look at the Chiefs without seeing what he thinks is obvious. “They need a quarterback,” the man says. “Matt Cassel is fine, but look at the league now, the way things are, you need to do better than Matt Cassel. At least bring in someone to compete.” This is the Chiefs’ major decision now. It is real, even if the decision-makers are maintaining their usual silence. Cassel is the incumbent, and there are no indications that the most important opinions on him are wavering. But the costs of moving on have never been lower, the potential benefits never been higher, and the timing never better. The easy thing is to see that the Chiefs need to get better at quarterback. The harder thing is thinking through the options and making the necessary sacrifices. • • • That whole Suck For Luck thing is nonsense. A nonstarter. NFL teams don’t throw seasons, and they certainly don’t make progress by throwing seasons. But right now, it’s impossible not to think about it. Because the Chiefs will own the 11th or 12th pick in April’s draft — it’ll be decided by a coin flip with Seattle — and that’s just too far to trade into the first (Andrew Luck) or second (Robert Griffin III) pick. Whatever chance the Chiefs had to draft one of this class’ premier quarterbacks died when they won seven games. Shawn Zobel, who runs DraftHeadquarters.com, thinks a realistic framework for the Chiefs to move into the No. 2 pick would be roughly what Atlanta gave up last year to move from No. 27 to No. 6 in order to take Julio Jones: two first-round picks, one second, and two fourths. The NFL’s new CBA includes cost-control on rookies, plus the Browns have extra picks from the trade with Atlanta, so it would be an enormous stretch for the Chiefs to make the best offer. Either way, it would be a staggering haul that didn’t help the Falcons, plus left them without a first- or fourth-round pick this year. Griffin’s potential is real, but the Chiefs have too many other needs — starting with an offensive line that needs to get both younger and better — to do that. Besides, trading up is entirely out of Pioli’s track record. We also know that re-signing Kyle Orton is both uncertain (he’ll have other options) and entirely inadequate. That leaves two options for a bold move: take a quarterback with the first-round pick, or go big with someone else’s quarterback. A first-round pick probably means Texas A&M’s Ryan Tannehill. He’s a former wide receiver with only a season and a half as a starting quarterback, so he’s raw, especially with quarterback intricacies like pre-snap reads and progressing through receivers. He recently broke his foot but is expected to recover. The last option is the one that makes the most sense. Peyton Manning is the sexy name, of course, and the obvious and sad irony is that the Chiefs haven’t won a playoff game since the last time they brought in someone else’s aching Hall of Fame quarterback, Joe Montana. Manning would be a no-brainer, both in terms of football and public relations. The problem is the list of what would have to happen — his neck fully heals, the Colts let him go, and he decides he wants to play somewhere else — is wrought with uncertainty. The positive is that the Chiefs are in a place to offer Manning a talented roster with a coaching staff that could still be suited to him and a presumably winnable division. Matt Flynn is the best free agent, though the Packers could use the franchise tag to keep him as their backup. Flynn drove up his price by throwing for six touchdowns and a franchise-record 480 yards in the season finale against Detroit, and was also good (24 of 37 passing, 251 yards, three touchdowns and an interception) in his one start last season. But here’s the irony: his profile is an awful lot like Matt Cassel’s was three years ago. Both are career backups to Hall of Famers. Both have benefitted from being in wildly successful systems. Flynn will be 27 when the season begins, just like Cassel was when he began with the Chiefs. It’s a small sample, but perhaps instructive that of two NFL personnel men who spoke for this column, one said he liked Cassel more three years ago than he likes Flynn now. That’s OK. There aren’t many certainties in the NFL, but here’s one: the Chiefs are in a promising place that can best be ruined by lacking the guts to do something bold. • • • The advantage the Chiefs have in searching for a better quarterback situation is in timing first, and resources second. Romeo Crennel hasn’t hired an offensive coordinator, or even given much of an indication on which coaches will be back. That gives him an opportunity to sync the new staff with whatever decision is made about the quarterback. Acquiring someone else’s quarterback — Manning or Flynn — comes with an added benefit. The Chiefs have plenty of salary-cap space, and could structure any deal in such a way to make the most out of the league-mandated spending minimum that begins in the 2013 season. The quote at the top of this column is a pretty good summation. Cassel is fine. He’s had four seasons as a starting quarterback. Twice he won 10 games, once he played for a team that had no chance, and the other he got hurt. But this narrative from the Chiefs that Cassel is young and developing needs to stop. He turns 30 in May. He’s started 54 games. Rookies are coming into the NFL ready. Cassel told The Star last week he wouldn’t mind if the Chiefs made him compete for the job. Nothing that happened last season indicates that competition would come from Ricky Stanzi. The Chiefs have the chassis for a good football team, now and into the future. Much of that is because of the improvement of players such as Tamba Hali and Jamaal Charles and Pioli’s ability to sign them long-term. Since Pioli took over three years ago, two of the most consistent limits on the team have been his unwillingness to make bold personnel acquisitions and the quarterback. This offseason presents the perfect chance to change that.
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