Football Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one - Page 14

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-20-2013, 01:23 PM

Youd have to go back to 1977 to find some dumbassed team building philosphy to compare with the bullshit spouted by King. By Sweet Dick Willie.
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-20-2013, 01:29 PM

shit, i dont even need HINDSIGHT to look at THAT and "lol"...
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**BossChief** · 02-20-2013, 01:30 PM

I think it's arguable that Geno isn't an inferior prospect to McNabb or Brees as a colle prospect. Brees had measurable issues and McNabb.

McNabb didn't even complete 55% of his passes as a sophomore or Junior.

His highest yardage total of a season was 2488 yards

His best year throwing touchdowns was 22.

MagicHef · 02-20-2013, 01:34 PM

Here are some first round draft numbers:

Over the past 20 years, 45 QBs have been drafted in the first round. 29 of them (64%) had a better better win percentage during their time with the team that drafted them than that team had during the 3 years prior to their draft. That is to say, 64% of them improved their teams. That does not include Eli or Rivers, neither of whom played at all for the team that drafted them.

Here are the percentage of first rounders by position that improved their teams:

QB: 64% (Improved their team by an average of 0.58 wins/season)
RB: 57% (0.48)
DT: 55% (0.12)
WR: 54% (0.27)
S: 54% (0.42)
DE: 51% (-0.08)
OT: 51% (0.14)
LB 51% (0.54)
OG 45% (-0.05)
TE 45% (-0.07)
CB 45% (-0.31)
OC 27% (-0.77)
K 0% (-0.36)

So. Draft a QB.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-20-2013, 01:37 PM

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So. Draft a QB.

Over-drafting a QB in the first round doesn't make him worthy of being a first round QB.

O.city · 02-20-2013, 01:39 PM

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Over-drafting a QB in the first round doesn't make him worthy of being a first round QB.

Actually, from what I've read and seen at this point, I think Smith and Barkley are both first round prospects. Where in the first round is what the next month or two will determine.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-20-2013, 01:43 PM

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Actually, from what I've read and seen at this point, I think Smith and Barkley are both first round prospects. Where in the first round is what the next month or two will determine.

Reading ten million mock drafts provides absolutely no clarity and it's just ridiculous to believe that anyone has any idea of where these players will land, especially before the Combines and personal visits begin.

It's conjecture: Guys sit around and try to match players with needs. That's it. And they all read each other's mock drafts and influence each because they want to be seen as "right" at the end of the day.

It's a pointless exercise, especially this early in the process.

O.city · 02-20-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Reading ten million mock drafts provides absolutely no clarity and it's just ridiculous to believe that anyone has any idea of where these players will land, especially before the Combines and personal visits begin.

It's conjecture: Guys sit around and try to match players with needs. That's it. And they all read each other's mock drafts and influence each because they want to be seen as "right" at the end of the day.

It's a pointless exercise, especially this early in the process.

Wasn't really talking about that, more what kiper and mayock are saying

htismaqe · 02-20-2013, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Reading ten million mock drafts provides absolutely no clarity and it's just ridiculous to believe that anyone has any idea of where these players will land, especially before the Combines and personal visits begin.

It's conjecture: Guys sit around and try to match players with needs. That's it. And they all read each other's mock drafts and influence each because they want to be seen as "right" at the end of the day.

It's a pointless exercise, especially this early in the process.

It wasn't pointless 3 years ago, but it is now?

The "kindler, gentler" Dane is actually still the "you need to think like me or I'm going to verbally assault you" Dane.

-King- · 02-20-2013, 02:33 PM

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Over-drafting a QB in the first round doesn't make him worthy of being a first round QB.

Clausen at 5!!
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MagicHef · 02-20-2013, 03:28 PM

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Over-drafting a QB in the first round doesn't make him worthy of being a first round QB.

True.

However, it doesn't seem to matter. Was Weeden worthy of being a first round QB? Tannehill? McNown? Druckenmiller? Mirer? Sanchez? Russell? Smith? Losman? Grossman? Quinn? VY? Leftwich? Leinart? Dilfer?

In terms of win percentage, their teams all improved coinciding with their drafting.

Meanwhile, here are some guys whose teams got worse once they were drafted: Ryan Clady, Bryant McKinnie, Shawn Andrews, Leonard Davis.

**RealSNR** · 02-20-2013, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

True.

However, it doesn't seem to matter. Was Weeden worthy of being a first round QB? Tannehill? McNown? Druckenmiller? Mirer? Sanchez? Russell? Smith? Losman? Grossman? Quinn? VY? Leftwich? Leinart? Dilfer?

In terms of win percentage, their teams all improved coinciding with their drafting.

Meanwhile, here are some guys whose teams got worse once they were drafted: Ryan Clady, Bryant McKinnie, Shawn Andrews, Leonard Davis.

Don't forget Branden Albert and Glenn Dorsey.

MagicHef · 02-20-2013, 03:42 PM

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Don't forget Branden Albert and Glenn Dorsey.

I was trying to list good players.

htismaqe · 02-20-2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

True.

However, it doesn't seem to matter. Was Weeden worthy of being a first round QB? Tannehill? McNown? Druckenmiller? Mirer? Sanchez? Russell? Smith? Losman? Grossman? Quinn? VY? Leftwich? Leinart? Dilfer?

In terms of win percentage, their teams all improved coinciding with their drafting.

Meanwhile, here are some guys whose teams got worse once they were drafted: Ryan Clady, Bryant McKinnie, Shawn Andrews, Leonard Davis.

Donk fan, in with the logic.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-20-2013, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

True.

However, it doesn't seem to matter. Was Weeden worthy of being a first round QB? Tannehill? McNown? Druckenmiller? Mirer? Sanchez? Russell? Smith? Losman? Grossman? Quinn? VY? Leftwich? Leinart? Dilfer?

Are you using hindsight as your guide or asking a legitimate question?

02-20-2013, 01:23 PM	#1
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02-20-2013, 01:34 PM	#4
MagicHef The Seated Villain Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle Casino cash: $2180247	Here are some first round draft numbers: Over the past 20 years, 45 QBs have been drafted in the first round. 29 of them (64%) had a better better win percentage during their time with the team that drafted them than that team had during the 3 years prior to their draft. That is to say, 64% of them improved their teams. That does not include Eli or Rivers, neither of whom played at all for the team that drafted them. Here are the percentage of first rounders by position that improved their teams: QB: 64% (Improved their team by an average of 0.58 wins/season) RB: 57% (0.48) DT: 55% (0.12) WR: 54% (0.27) S: 54% (0.42) DE: 51% (-0.08) OT: 51% (0.14) LB 51% (0.54) OG 45% (-0.05) TE 45% (-0.07) CB 45% (-0.31) OC 27% (-0.77) K 0% (-0.36) So. Draft a QB.
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