Peter King: Herm will draft Matt Ryan to buy himself another year - Page 14

FloridaMan88 · 03-24-2008, 10:52 AM

I still doubt the Chiefs will take Ryan, but this is an interesting rationale for why they might and this is totally in line with the piece of garbage that Herm is.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...21/mmqb/1.html

Kansas City. Boston College QB Matt Ryan. Just a hunch, though they'll have trouble passing on Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long.

Strange thing here. At the combine, Carl Peterson told me the Chiefs loved Ryan, but there was no way they could take him because of their needs elsewhere. (Offensive line, I'm guessing.) Then they sent half the front office to his workout the other day at BC. Methinks Carl does not want to be the man to pass on the guy he thinks will be a franchise player. The other thing this does is buy coach Herman Edwards one more year of rebuilding. Even if the Chiefs go 5-11 this year, they couldn't whack Edwards until after they got a really good look at Ryan.

RustShack · 03-25-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I think this is BS. If Long wasn't cut out to be a LT he would not be projected so high. He is the best, by far, of the group of LEFT tackles.

Thats exactly why hes projected high, hes the best OT in the draft. Much like Ryan, OT's and QB's will always be projected to go high because of thier position, not thier skill.

beach tribe · 03-25-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Here's the problem you get, you want a Palmer or a Manning, those guys are extremely rare. Palmer to be honest had some serious question marks going into his draft he wasn't the for sure #1 pick until just days before the draft. If you want to wait around for that QB fine but we may be waiting for 10 years and who's to say we'll suck enough to get that guy?

QB prospects like Ryan get more and more difficult to find because of all these college teams spread option fixation and I'd never draft a QB that played in it because he basically has no prep for the NFL game.

Also that whole QB/LT argument, to me there is a major difference. QB is by far the most important position on the field. I think there's a major difference in positional value from QB to OL. The reason I say you have to be 100% sure on a OT is because of the money that goes with it. Now QB those guys if good get paid that kinda top 5 cash anyway, to me I'd rather get risky with a QB than a OT.

Ryan probably isn't going to be there when we pick anyway but it's gonna make me laugh in a couple years when everyone is going apeshit that we don't have a QB then complains that all these QB classes suck...

College going to the spread option is hurting the QB classes...Ryan is big, has major intangibles, is smart, threw the ball a ton of times in a pro style offense. Honestly the only thing he doesn't have is the cannon arm and how many guys are succeeding right now without that? Plenty.

Oh by the way you know what the difference in Ryan and Flacco is? Ryan beat out the other QB's at BC to become the starter..Flacco couldn't beat out the QB's at Pitt and transferred out, to me that is a red flag.

Brady couldn't beat out Henson.

Mecca · 03-25-2008, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Thats exactly why hes projected high, hes the best OT in the draft. Much like Ryan, OT's and QB's will always be projected to go high because of thier position, not thier skill.

I still think Ryan would be at worst a top 10 projection in any year, the only time he wouldn't be the first QB projected is if he was in the draft with some physical freak like Russell.

Here's the thing that gets me around here. I read post after post after post that Russell sucks cause he's dumb despite all his ridiculous physical tools. Ok Ryan doesn't have the same tools but his are pretty good but he's smart and I see people bag on him...

Well in that case what the **** do you want? Make up your mind otherwise you are saying you don't like any kind of QB prospect unless he's a once in 10 years guy.

Mecca · 03-25-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Brady couldn't beat out Henson.

Yea Brady also still played in every game while Henson was thought of as a possible #1 overall pick.....Flacco couldn't beat out Tyler ****in Palko, big difference.

beach tribe · 03-25-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Thats exactly why hes projected high, hes the best OT in the draft. Much like Ryan, OT's and QB's will always be projected to go high because of thier position, not thier skill.

Noone is overvalued more than QBs. Long has been kicking ass for years, and would be picked top 5 in almost any draft.

beach tribe · 03-25-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea Brady also still played in every game while Henson was thought of as a possible #1 overall pick.....Flacco couldn't beat out Tyler ****in Palko, big difference.

You mean Henson was so highly touted, had tools, and intangbles, and turned out to be squat?

Mecca · 03-25-2008, 11:08 AM

I just don't think Long is nearly athletic enough to be a LT, I don't see it. His flaws are athletic flaws, you can't fix those.

The last thing I want is to draft our own personal Robert Gallery.

Mecca · 03-25-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

You mean Henson was so highly touted, had tools, and intangbles, and turned out to be squat?

He screwed himself by playing baseball instead, but he would have likely been the #1 pick, and Henson was more of a tools guy than an intangibles guy,

Deberg_1990 · 03-25-2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I still think Ryan would be at worst a top 10 projection in any year, the only time he wouldn't be the first QB projected is if he was in the draft with some physical freak like Russell.

Here's the thing that gets me around here. I read post after post after post that Russell sucks cause he's dumb despite all his ridiculous physical tools. Ok Ryan doesn't have the same tools but his are pretty good but he's smart and I see people bag on him...

Well in that case what the **** do you want? Make up your mind otherwise you are saying you don't like any kind of QB prospect unless he's a once in 10 years guy.

Another thing that kills me is that the Chiefs fanbase for years and years has craved for a "Young, homegrown, Franchise QB".

Well, this year is our best chance in decades to snag one, and all people want to do is bag on him. hahaha

Mecca · 03-25-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Another thing that kills me is that the Chiefs fanbase for years and years has craved for a "Young, homegrown, Franchise QB".

Well, this year is our best chance in decades to snag one, and all people want to do is bag on him. hahaha

These are people that think Brodie Croyle and Matt Ryan are similar prospects which should basically tell you all you need to know....

The blind faith in Croyle around here is pretty maddening at times when he is still what everyone knew he was, a guy who gets injured when someone breathes on him.

jspchief · 03-25-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

You mean Henson was so highly touted, had tools, and intangbles, and turned out to be squat?

Ryan Leaf

Mecca · 03-25-2008, 11:19 AM

Ah yes lets compare Ryan and Leaf despite them being nothing like each other, just like the guy who kept bringing up Alex Smith.

suds79 · 03-25-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

These are people that think Brodie Croyle and Matt Ryan are similar prospects which should basically tell you all you need to know....

The blind faith in Croyle around here is pretty maddening at times when he is still what everyone knew he was, a guy who gets injured when someone breathes on him.

To compare Croyle to a guy who will be draft in the top 8 spots is laughable. It really is.

I think people are blinded with Croyle's decent mobility and cannon arm.

Never mind the fact all the other attributes in question.

1 - Injury Prone (due to lack of size and/or toughness)
2 - Touch? (have you seen this guy throw a screen pass?)
3 - Decision making (yes he's young but it's still in question)

Mecca · 03-25-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79

To compare Croyle to a guy who will be draft in the top 8 spots is laughable. It really is.

I think people are blinded with Croyle's decent mobility and cannon arm.

Never mind the fact all the other attributes in question.

1 - Injury Prone (due to lack of size and/or toughness)
2 - Touch? (have you seen this guy throw a screen pass?)
3 - Decision making (yes he's young but it's still in question)

That one he tried to throw to the RB in the Jets game was hilarious, throwing a rocket at a guy standing right next to you, it was so bad it got a grounding penalty.

Chiefnj2 · 03-25-2008, 11:30 AM

People are citicizing Croyle's decision making but are defending Ryan's? 56 TD to 37 INTs in college isn't very good.

03-24-2008, 10:52 AM
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $2902906	Peter King: Herm will draft Matt Ryan to buy himself another year I still doubt the Chiefs will take Ryan, but this is an interesting rationale for why they might and this is totally in line with the piece of garbage that Herm is. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...21/mmqb/1.html Kansas City. Boston College QB Matt Ryan. Just a hunch, though they'll have trouble passing on Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long. Strange thing here. At the combine, Carl Peterson told me the Chiefs loved Ryan, but there was no way they could take him because of their needs elsewhere. (Offensive line, I'm guessing.) Then they sent half the front office to his workout the other day at BC. Methinks Carl does not want to be the man to pass on the guy he thinks will be a franchise player. The other thing this does is buy coach Herman Edwards one more year of rebuilding. Even if the Chiefs go 5-11 this year, they couldn't whack Edwards until after they got a really good look at Ryan.
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03-25-2008, 11:08 AM	#202
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2357050	I just don't think Long is nearly athletic enough to be a LT, I don't see it. His flaws are athletic flaws, you can't fix those. The last thing I want is to draft our own personal Robert Gallery.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2357050	Ah yes lets compare Ryan and Leaf despite them being nothing like each other, just like the guy who kept bringing up Alex Smith.
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7823688	People are citicizing Croyle's decision making but are defending Ryan's? 56 TD to 37 INTs in college isn't very good. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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