Science is so racist

[Silock]

http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archiv...ck_hole_a.html

A special meeting about Dallas County traffic tickets turned tense and bizarre this afternoon.

County commissioners were discussing problems with the central collections office that is used to process traffic ticket payments and handle other paperwork normally done by the JP Courts.

Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections "has become a black hole" because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office.

Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud "Excuse me!" He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a "white hole."

That prompted Judge Thomas Jones, who is black, to demand an apology from Mayfield for his racially insensitive analogy.

Mayfield shot back that it was a figure of speech and a science term.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

While I feel that racism in America certainly exists and that programs like AA are necessary, I don't feel that this statement is necessarily true everywhere in the US.

At my previous job, we had more than 40 people in our music division (a division of Paramount at the time) yet we had six Filipinos, one japanese, one from El Salvador, three Mexican, five African Americans, one Russian, so on and so forth. It was a very racially diverse mix and that was even more prevalent on the Paramount lot.

California (and Los Angeles, in particular) is very racially diverse and I don't think that race is seen as a "liability". At least, that hasn't been my experience or my wife's (and she's Asian).

Everyone has to work hard, regardless of skin color. The "Good Ol' Boy" network still exists in certain circles but I think it's just as difficult for whites, Asians, Hispanics or AA's to break into that circle. And if you DO want to break into that circle, you'd better have an extremely high-level college education (most likely grad school from an Ivy League or Stanford-type school) to even be considered for such a post.

Where I'm from, there are 0 opportunities, and people of color would probably have a much harder time getting one of the better jobs.

Where I live, there are limitless opportunities and I really believe that it makes no difference what race you are when it comes to getting a job. None.
It has everything to do with your qualifications, and experience. (unless you are Haitian)

Actually you have a much better shot at some really great jobs, if you are a Spanish speaking American, which most whites are not.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Where I live, there are limitless opportunities and I really believe that it makes no difference what race you are when it comes to getting a job. None.
It has everything to do with your qualifications, and experience. (unless you are Haitian)

Actually you have a much better shot at some really great jobs, if you are a Spanish speaking American, which most whites are not.

I figured he was referring to ("he" being Wutamess) were jobs that required a college degree or specific skill set. It's highly unlikely an an uneducated man would rise to the rank of CEO, let alone be a "Good Ol' Boy", unless that person started their own business and turned it into an empire. But even then I would think along the way, that person would realize that educated people of color are just as qualified as those that are white.

[Fairplay]

Generally other races that come into the U.S. seem to make there way into the work life in one way or other. I think blacks get pissed because everyone is passing them up as a whole. And blame whitey for holding them down. Truth.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I figured he was referring to ("he" being Wutamess) were jobs that required a college degree or specific skill set. It's highly unlikely an an uneducated man would rise to the rank of CEO, let alone be a "Good Ol' Boy", unless that person started their own business and turned it into an empire. But even then I would think along the way, that person would realize that educated people of color are just as qualified as those that are white.

From my experience, I have learned that anyone smart enough to have built a successful corporation, is not dumb enough to let race come between them, and the best opportunity for advancement, of the gold mine, that they have worked so hard to build.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

From my experience, I have learned that anyone smart enough to have built a successful corporation, is not dumb enough to let race come between them, and the best opportunity for advancement, of the gold mine, that they have worked so hard to build.

Then we're in agreement because that's exactly what I implied using different words.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then we're in agreement because that's exactly what I implied using different words.

Yeah, in a reread, there 's no doubt, that the two statements, are essentially the same.

I was only giving an honest outlook on the situation.

[Smed1065]

Originally Posted by wutamess

Donger, you're not black... you don't know how you have to have a smile on your face when you walk past a white lady so that she won't fear you snatching her purse. You don't know how you have to overtip to break the stereotype that not all black people aren't bad tippers.

Just leave it alone.

So it's ok for you to have a stereo type but not us? As long as you state you and not "you"?


How do you ever figure we will over come this problem as long as it is "we" and not we?

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by Smed1065

So it's ok for you to have a stereo type but not us? As long as you state you and not "you"?


How do you ever figure we will over come this problem as long as it is "we" and not we?

I never said it wasn't ok for you not to stereotype us. I just said that we responsible ones have to do more work to make you (not you) see that we're not the stereotypical N in hopes of getting the position.




For clarification: The good'ol boy network is not the richest of the rich... I'm just referring to upper levels of management in corporate America. Director level & above.

[wutamess]

Beach & Dan... I agree with your assessments that the more successful you are racism isn't really an issue (for the most part).

[RNR]

Originally Posted by Smed1065

So it's ok for you to have a stereo type but not us? As long as you state you and not "you"?


How do you ever figure we will over come this problem as long as it is "we" and not we?

That is my problem with this issue. The "it is a black thing you dont understand" answer. The fact a black person can say 95% of white people hiring positions are racist untill proven otherwise is no big deal. Let me as a white guy make a statement about blacks of that nature and I would be considered a racist.

Years ago Charles Barkley was being interveiwed and a reporter asked him a stupid question. He replied "thats why I hate white people" people laughed, hell I thought it was funny. When asked about it later he chuckled and said his buddy was waiting for him and he is white he was messing with him. Let change things up a bit now instead of Barkley lets put Larry Bird in his place talking to a black reporter. That would have caused outrage with threats of boycotts and demands of him being suspended.

Take these idiots in the thread starter the fact someone got their feelings hurt much less defended his stance is a joke. I have said before it blows me away that people come to this country unable to speak english and flat broke yet with in 10 years or less have worked their way up to good jobs own homes drive nice cars. Yet some how whitey his holding the black man down.

I am sorry I aint buying it anymore that dog just dont hunt! Get the hell over it and move on with your life. You can go far in this country if you work hard and find a reason to keep moving forward instead of finding a reason to fail.

[bkkcoh]

I wonder how many times the good-ol' boy network is truly to blame and how many times it is used as an excuse?

[Chief Faithful]

Originally Posted by bkkcoh

I wonder how many times the good-ol' boy network is truly to blame and how many times it is used as an excuse?

Excuse me! That is good-ol' person network!

I can't believe the sexist remarks that go on around here.

[Fairplay]

Notice how they have all these excuses why they feel they are not accepted into the working class like the whites? Excuse this and that.

My advice to find the real problem they have is to simply get a mirror, and take a long hard look into it.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

That is my problem with this issue. The "it is a black thing you dont understand" answer. The fact a black person can say 95% of white people hiring positions are racist untill proven otherwise is no big deal. Let me as a white guy make a statement about blacks of that nature and I would be considered a racist.

Years ago Charles Barkley was being interveiwed and a reporter asked him a stupid question. He replied "thats why I hate white people" people laughed, hell I thought it was funny. When asked about it later he chuckled and said his buddy was waiting for him and he is white he was messing with him. Let change things up a bit now instead of Barkley lets put Larry Bird in his place talking to a black reporter. That would have caused outrage with threats of boycotts and demands of him being suspended.

Take these idiots in the thread starter the fact someone got their feelings hurt much less defended his stance is a joke. I have said before it blows me away that people come to this country unable to speak english and flat broke yet with in 10 years or less have worked their way up to good jobs own homes drive nice cars. Yet some how whitey his holding the black man down.

I am sorry I aint buying it anymore that dog just dont hunt! Get the hell over it and move on with your life. You can go far in this country if you work hard and find a reason to keep moving forward instead of finding a reason to fail.

1. Phil makes jokes like that all the time and it's funny... no matter what color you are.

2. I've never accepted a handout (even from family) and have repeatedly held a stance that it's whom evers responsibility to make it hard for anyone to deny anything to them they feel they're entitled to (personal responsibility).

3. I've never once stated that "whitey" is holding anyone down/back especially with all of the opportunities MINORITIES are given today.

4. It is some sort of a black thing you wouldn't understand and I've given examples of how with my smiling while passing someone or over tipping, etc. Stereotypes are just that... Stereotypes. They're not racist or they don't make you a racist by saying I like Watermelon and chicken (which I love both). To some it's racially insensitive which I've never understood & I hate how racism is always supposedly one sided. We get a pass and you guys don't. Isn't fair and I agree.

5. Has it ever occurred to you that the people from this country already HAVE money? You think America is letting poor people from China/Africa over here to live on the system?
5b. Those same people also fall under AA so why separate them from blacks. I'm talking about AA which covers ALL MINORITIES... Not just blacks.

6. Stop assuming I'm for a hand-out. I think AA isn't an answer but it's the best answer at the given time. Now when the workplace/hiring practices level themselves out (across the country), then it can be done away with. Until then it's needed for those remote areas that need it.

7. 95% possibly racist. It's not as blatant as you think ()it's more prejudging)... It's like when you see me on the streets you immediately probably think I'm the typical black person until we talk/meet. Statistics show I'm supposed to be either in jail or dead or a dead beat father who's not with my baby mama. It's not like you'll immediately think, this guy's one of the best people I'm going to ever have a chance to know in life (which I consider myself that person).

So NO! We don't go into an interview thinking, "I'm about to meet one of Hitlers kids". We go in assuming the interviewer is white and could be a racist. Just like the interviewer is thinking, he's black or a minority and could be an attitude or a problem.

Please don't defend your stances saying... You're the best interviewer or whatever because you assume nothing. It's human nature to assume stereotypes (even if it's little) until they're broken by getting to know someone.


To deny would be... un human like.

[Fairplay]

Originally Posted by wutamess

4. It is some sort of a black thing you wouldn't understand............

Like its alright for black people to call each other ni**ers.

But white people can't. Something like that?

Could you imagine if this was a famous white person saying the exact same statement in the video below? There would be outrage among the black community. But in this case he's black so he 'understands' the black culture.

Different standards wouldn't you agree wutamuss?