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Coogs · 09-03-2012, 01:26 PM

Laugh if you must, but I really think the QB we are looking for might be Brady Quinn.

I re-watched the game from last Thursday this morning. All-in-all, I felt like Quinn was very sharp... given the fact that he just started getting some time with the first string players earlier in the week.

Cassel's only pass, and Quinn's first pass were nearly the identical same play. Bowe had to go to the ground to catch Cassel's throw. Breaston caught Quinn's right were the ball should have been thrown, and turned it up-field for 3 or so more yards.

Quinn's 2nd pass was a beautifully thrown ball that hit Baldwin right in stride, and Baldwin was able to turn it up for several more yards.

The next two passes were highly criticized around here after/since the game. I did not see that much there that can not be fixed... once Quinn gets more time with the #1's to get timing issues worked out. All thorughout OTA's and Training Camp, I never recall hearing Quinn (or Stanzi) making any plays with any #1 receivers. Not even during drills.

Anyway. On the first one, as slant pass to Baldwin, it looks like just a matter of timing. They were on the same page... but just didn't connect. More reps together to develop some chemistry, and that is a TD easily.

The next play... which was an Interception that was negated by a penalty on the Packers... that had a whistle blown in the middle of the play... it appeared that Baldwin and Quinn were not on the same page. Quinn's pass appeared that he expected Baldwin to go inside instead of on the fade route that Baldwin ran. Again, more reps together to develop the right chemistry so they are reading the right thing. Baldwin cuts inside, and that is a TD. Quinn throws the fade pass, and it is also probably a TD. Not on same page. That has to be understandable given the minimal amount of time the two have had together.

Next drive was all backups. Line and skill players.

3rd and 7. Hits Bellamy right on the button for an easy first down.

3rd and 9. Hits Manari right on the numbers for another first down.

3rd and 8. QB draw type of run that would have made Elway proud right up to the non-slide that got him slightly injured.

Then the next pass that has been widely criticized around here. The Interception on the back of the endzone. Again, this was with his backups and not the starters, which gives no excuse to Quinn. BUT... he starts out looking to his left. Staying with his progression, he moves to the middle of the field. At this point, Harris is getting his ass kicked by a Packers defender causing Quinn to have to step up into the pocket, which is collapsing under the 2nd string line. A half of a second more at the most, and Manari is comming wide open on a TE drag across just a little right of where Quinn made the decision to throw. Tiny bit better pocket, and that ball goes to Manari if Quinn has the time to finish his reads and that is an easy TD.

That is all the further I watched. And that was all the further I needed to watch. I am convinced Quinn is going to be just what the doctor ordered for this team. All he needs is more time with the #1's to get on the same page with them.

I know Cassel is the starter for now. I can accept that. He is not the best QB though. And it is not even going to be close... in time.

Reerun_KC · 09-04-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Since the day you arrived, you've spent an inordinate amount of time laughing at other people rather than adding opinions of your own.

You know this to be true.

I call Bullshit. I spent most of my time discrediting everyone that bought into Herm... Especially when he was going to "fix the defense" and "not touch the offense" So many people licked up Herm only to choke on the taste.

Football discussion is few and far between on here anymore. Mostly threads about the 3 QB's and who can be the coolest by bashing one of them the most.

You and I had alot of debates on football before you took your sabatical.

Black Bob · 09-04-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

John Fox looked at Quinn and said they have no shot with him? That's why they were designing packages for Quinn going into the playoffs last year because they knew Tebow couldn't pass if they needed him to.

And Holmgren....who knows QBs....went with Wallace and McCoy? That says a lot about Holmgren. You know....the same guy that just drafted a 29 year old rookie QB in the 1st round. Yep....QB guru.

Stupid ****ing post....again.....

Brady Quinn couldn't run Tebow's offense. It's pretty ****ing obvious. Running QBs are likely to get hurt. Quinn had to be prepared. The Patriot's defense was terrible. Why didn't he put Quinn in there and let him sling it around? THE SCORE WAS 35-7 PATRIOTS AT HALF TIME.

As for Holmgren, don't forget about Jake Delhomme. He aquired him and Mangini started him. I agree about Weedan and I think he'll suck. However, Holmgren's job was on the line and he had to do something desperate.

Stupid ****ing post man.

**The Franchise** · 09-04-2012, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Stupid ****ing post....again.....

Brady Quinn couldn't run Tebow's offense. It's pretty ****ing obvious. Running QBs are likely to get hurt. Quinn had to be prepared. The Patriot's defense was terrible. Why didn't he put Quinn in there and let him sling it around? THE SCORE WAS 35-7 PATRIOTS AT HALF TIME.

As for Holmgren, don't forget about Jake Delhomme. He aquired him and Mangini started him. I agree about Weedan and I think he'll suck. However, Holmgren's job was on the line and he had to do something desperate.

Stupid ****ing post man.

The pass plays were for the Wild Card game against the Steelers. After Tebow won that game.....there was no way Fox was pulling Tebow.

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If there's always fire where there's smoke, then Denver Broncos fans should expect to see Brady Quinn on the field Sunday vs. the Pittsburgh Steelers. Fox's Jay Glazer is the latest to report that the Broncos have packages for Quinn on third down passing situations.

With Quinn never having thrown a pass in a regular season game for the Denver Broncos, head coach John Fox will be opening himself up to a lot of second guessing if this experiment goes haywire. But on the other hand, the Broncos offense has looked recently like it could use a spark in the passing game.

You're going to go with Delhomme as proof that Holmgren is a QB guru? JFC.

beach tribe · 09-04-2012, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I call Bullshit. I spent most of my time discrediting everyone that bought into Herm... Especially when he was going to "fix the defense" and "not touch the offense" So many people licked up Herm only to choke on the taste.

Football discussion is few and far between on here anymore. Mostly threads about the 3 QB's and who can be the coolest by bashing one of them the most.

You and I had alot of debates on football before you took your sabatical.

Dude, for herm's entire tenure you made the a variation of the same post about 5000 times too many. People are doing it with Cassel now. I don't understand why people even waste their time posting the same shit over, and over, when everyone already knows. We get it.
You actually haven't been as bad these days. Probably because Her

qabbaan · 09-04-2012, 11:38 AM

I just hope I get credit for first broaching the question of whether Quinn should start over Cassel when he is.

Reerun_KC · 09-04-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Dude, for herm's entire tenure you made the a variation of the same post about 5000 times too many. People are doing it with Cassel now. I don't understand why people even waste their time posting the same shit over, and over, when everyone already knows. We get it.
You actually haven't been as bad these days. Probably because Her

Her? Who is the mystery lady?

htismaqe · 09-04-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Her? Who is the mystery lady?

Goddamn Tapatalk!

Reerun_KC · 09-04-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Goddamn Tapatalk!

Dont let my wife read this!!!!!!

Deberg_1990 · 09-04-2012, 11:57 AM

I look forward to the 50 threads each Sunday everytime Cassel misses a throw.

**The Franchise** · 09-04-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I look forward to the 50 threads each Sunday everytime Cassel misses a throw.

Well....you won't have to worry about me starting one.

Black Bob · 09-04-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

The pass plays were for the Wild Card game against the Steelers. After Tebow won that game.....there was no way Fox was pulling Tebow.

You're going to go with Delhomme as proof that Holmgren is a QB guru? JFC.

So it was just for the Steelers? You are saying that Quinn was going to run that flex offense if Tebow got hurt?

Just like the Chiefs, Holmgren couldn't find a QB. The point is that all of those guys were better options than Quinn and he knew it. There were no QBs worth a shit so he found a couple with experience who could manage games.

Holmgren worked as a QB coach in San Francisco with Montana, Young, and Bono. In Green Bay, he developed Favre, Brunell, Detmer, and Hasselbeck.

He knows how to develop QBs. When he pulled the curtain on Quinn, he did it for a reason. I don't know if he knows how to find talent, but he definately knows how to develop it. He knew Wallace was beter than Quinn.

**The Franchise** · 09-04-2012, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

So it was just for the Steelers? You are saying that Quinn was going to run that flex offense if Tebow got hurt?

Just like the Chiefs, Holmgren couldn't find a QB. The point is that all of those guys were better options than Quinn and he knew it. There were no QBs worth a shit so he found a couple with experience who could manage games.

Holmgren worked as a QB coach in San Francisco with Montana, Young, and Bono. In Green Bay, he developed Favre, Brunell, Detmer, and Hasselbeck.

He knows how to develop QBs. When he pulled the curtain on Quinn, he did it for a reason. I don't know if he knows how to find talent, but he definately knows how to develop it. He knew Wallace was beter than Quinn.

Did you read the article that I quoted? He wasn't going to run the flex offense. He was going to come in on obvious 3rd down passing situations. Tebow kept the game close....so they didn't need to bring him in.

I know who the **** Holmgren worked with. I was just questioning why the **** you brought up Delhomme as your QB instead of any of the QBs you just mentioned now. And honestly....since Hasselbeck....he hasn't developed shit at QB.

Frosty · 09-04-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I dont disagree with any of that, but he had his chances to beat out Derick

Anderson and couldnt do it.

Since Derek Anderson played for my alma mater, I watched a lot of the Browns back when he was with them. The plan Quinn's rookie year was to bring him along slowly behind Charlie Frye. Frye sucked so bad during the opening game of that year (2007) that they pulled him and DA came in and played fairly well.

The following week, the Browns traded Frye to Seattle (while Holmgren was coach there, BlackBob - nice QB guru there) and DA started the following game and threw for 328 yards and five touchdowns. It was his job the rest of the way. He threw for 29 tds and almost 4000 yards and the Brown finished 10-6. DA made the Pro Bowl the Cassel way (1st alternate).

After his excellent season, the Browns gave him a big contract, so there was no way he was going to be beat out by Quinn the next year. Unfortunately, DA (and a lot of the rest of the team) fell off a cliff that year. DA was pulled partway through the season, Quinn was put in and was promptly hurt and lost for the season. DA came back in and also was injured and lost for the season. Crennel got fired after the season.

The next year, Mangini came on board and spent most of the season playing QB hokey pokey, constantly pulling one QB for the other. They also had lost a lot of their offensive talent by then and neither QB had many weapons.

I'm not a Quinn fan but I don't see anyone that saw that cluster**** with the Browns and would objectively think that Quinn ever had the shot to develop that most first round QBs get normally.

beach tribe · 09-04-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Her? Who is the mystery lady?

Herm. Had to post it real quick. My Boss was walking by.

Reerun_KC · 09-04-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Herm. Had to post it real quick. My Boss was walking by.

Bastard, got me all excited for nothing...

09-03-2012, 01:26 PM
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2145651	I think the QB of the future may be on our roster already. Laugh if you must, but I really think the QB we are looking for might be Brady Quinn. I re-watched the game from last Thursday this morning. All-in-all, I felt like Quinn was very sharp... given the fact that he just started getting some time with the first string players earlier in the week. Cassel's only pass, and Quinn's first pass were nearly the identical same play. Bowe had to go to the ground to catch Cassel's throw. Breaston caught Quinn's right were the ball should have been thrown, and turned it up-field for 3 or so more yards. Quinn's 2nd pass was a beautifully thrown ball that hit Baldwin right in stride, and Baldwin was able to turn it up for several more yards. The next two passes were highly criticized around here after/since the game. I did not see that much there that can not be fixed... once Quinn gets more time with the #1's to get timing issues worked out. All thorughout OTA's and Training Camp, I never recall hearing Quinn (or Stanzi) making any plays with any #1 receivers. Not even during drills. Anyway. On the first one, as slant pass to Baldwin, it looks like just a matter of timing. They were on the same page... but just didn't connect. More reps together to develop some chemistry, and that is a TD easily. The next play... which was an Interception that was negated by a penalty on the Packers... that had a whistle blown in the middle of the play... it appeared that Baldwin and Quinn were not on the same page. Quinn's pass appeared that he expected Baldwin to go inside instead of on the fade route that Baldwin ran. Again, more reps together to develop the right chemistry so they are reading the right thing. Baldwin cuts inside, and that is a TD. Quinn throws the fade pass, and it is also probably a TD. Not on same page. That has to be understandable given the minimal amount of time the two have had together. Next drive was all backups. Line and skill players. 3rd and 7. Hits Bellamy right on the button for an easy first down. 3rd and 9. Hits Manari right on the numbers for another first down. 3rd and 8. QB draw type of run that would have made Elway proud right up to the non-slide that got him slightly injured. Then the next pass that has been widely criticized around here. The Interception on the back of the endzone. Again, this was with his backups and not the starters, which gives no excuse to Quinn. BUT... he starts out looking to his left. Staying with his progression, he moves to the middle of the field. At this point, Harris is getting his ass kicked by a Packers defender causing Quinn to have to step up into the pocket, which is collapsing under the 2nd string line. A half of a second more at the most, and Manari is comming wide open on a TE drag across just a little right of where Quinn made the decision to throw. Tiny bit better pocket, and that ball goes to Manari if Quinn has the time to finish his reads and that is an easy TD. That is all the further I watched. And that was all the further I needed to watch. I am convinced Quinn is going to be just what the doctor ordered for this team. All he needs is more time with the #1's to get on the same page with them. I know Cassel is the starter for now. I can accept that. He is not the best QB though. And it is not even going to be close... in time.
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qabbaan Veteran Join Date: Jan 2012 Casino cash: $10004900	I just hope I get credit for first broaching the question of whether Quinn should start over Cassel when he is.
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09-04-2012, 11:57 AM	#204
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $224454	I look forward to the 50 threads each Sunday everytime Cassel misses a throw. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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