2013 QB Class

[O.city]

This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it.

I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about.

The top three in this years class are in no particular order:

Geno Smith
Tyler Wilson
Matt Barkley

Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right.

So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false.

No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning.

Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask?

Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class.

2007
Jamarcus Russel
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm

2009
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen

2011
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker

Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL.

I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom.

So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm seriously asking for someone to break down his flaws.


I'm of the opinion that if his defense was even average and they win a few of those close games, we aren't really having this discussion right now.

And my post was more serious than not. You have a bunch of people who haven't seen him play making comments.

That's the nature of a message board.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Cool. And we're sacrificing a first next year to trade back up to get whom?

(understand you're not advocating this)

If Smith, Wilson, Barkley, and Murray are all gone, the rest of the group makes me soft. At that point all the QBs really ARE the same, and we may as well wait until the 2nd round so we can draft Magic Mike Glennon that everybody seems to love

[Buckweath]

Geno' s flaws: poor footwork, playing in a system which doesn' t require as many reads as he'll have to make in the NFL, inconsistent deep ball, tends to stare down a receiver at times, reluctant to run with the ball when there is an opening, ...

[bigjosh]

Originally Posted by O.city

I've watched him play alot, and I know what I think his flaws are, I was just wanting some outside perspective.

Pioli says that he doesnt do what a first round talent does, says hes no good at eating up blockers or stopping the run.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Here's why this plan is flawed:

1. We can't sit tight and hope a talent drops into the second. That's hoping, not planning, and we need the latter.
2. I'm not trading back up into the first round, expending more resources for a lesser talent and prospect.
3. Positional value and need. We need an ILB, and Te'o is a great one. But he's not worth a top-3 pick given our roster. We can find a high-quality ILB who won't kill himself or others in the later rounds.

How can you say what the Bengals and Browns did was not planning???? They obviously targeted both Weeden and Dalton. We maybe able to target Bray, Glennon, Murray or another QB in the 2nd or come back into the first. I don't know who our next coach will be either and the system that we employ will be a big factor into that as well.

I never said we would have to take Te'o. We could take many positions with that pick. Our biggest need is at CB, of course other than QB.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

How can you say what the Bengals and Browns did was not planning???? They obviously targeted both Weeden and Dalton. We maybe able to target Bray, Glennon, Murray or another QB in the 2nd or come back into the first. I don't know who our next coach will be either and the system that we employ will be a big factor into that as well.

I never said we would have to take Te'o. We could take many positions with that pick. Our biggest need is at CB, of course other than QB.

Would it be better to select one of the Big 3 with our first or give up even more to select Murray?

Furthermore, it's not a plan if we wait until round 2 because we have to hope that our target falls or make an aggressive play to get him. Again, sacrificing more valuable resources for a lesser prospect.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

How can you say what the Bengals and Browns did was not planning???? They obviously targeted both Weeden and Dalton. We maybe able to target Bray, Glennon, Murray or another QB in the 2nd or come back into the first. I don't know who our next coach will be either and the system that we employ will be a big factor into that as well.

I never said we would have to take Te'o. We could take many positions with that pick. Our biggest need is at CB, of course other than QB.

You know, a REAL team that plans would have seen the Redskins trade coming from miles away and would have traded up to grab RGIII before anybody else.

Instead they traded up to grab a ****ing RB.

Yeah, **** using the Browns as sound judgment.

[Chiefaholic]

It's sad that we screwed the pooch with too many wins last year to miss out on what appears to be two quality franchise QB's. But, this team needs to start Stanzi the remainder of the season just to see what we have. If he still blows chunks, then we need to draft two QB's this year. If it's an option, take Geno #1 overall, then seriously consider drafting another QB in round 3 as an insurance policy just in case. It worked our pretty damn well for Washington and the position is by far our most glaring need going into the draft.

[hometeam]

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by SNR

Not making the case to do this, but Star Lotulelei would be ideal if we're going to switch to a one-gap 3-4.

Maybe at 1-13. Not at 1-3.

And definitely not at 1-1.

Recent history has more than shown that taking DTs high is basically throwing the pick away.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

How can you say what the Bengals and Browns did was not planning???? They obviously targeted both Weeden and Dalton. We maybe able to target Bray, Glennon, Murray or another QB in the 2nd or come back into the first. I don't know who our next coach will be either and the system that we employ will be a big factor into that as well.

I never said we would have to take Te'o. We could take many positions with that pick. Our biggest need is at CB, of course other than QB.

There aren't any CBs worth a top 3 pick in this draft.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Chiefaholic

It's sad that we screwed the pooch with too many wins last year to miss out on what appears to be two quality franchise QB's. But, this team needs to start Stanzi the remainder of the season just to see what we have. If he still blows chunks, then we need to draft two QB's this year.

If Stanzi started, won all his games and threw for 300 yards each week, we still need to draft a QB.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

If Stanzi started, won all his games and threw for 300 yards each week, we still need to draft a QB.

^^This.

I would have loved for Stanzi to have been a franchise QB. However, it isn't going to happen. He probably doesn't even need to be on the roster next year.

Draft Geno, keep Stanzi/Quinn/draft pick as a back up, and draft or find an UDFA to fill the PS.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Would it be better to select one of the Big 3 with our first or give up even more to select Murray?

Furthermore, it's not a plan if we wait until round 2 because we have to hope that our target falls or make an aggressive play to get him. Again, sacrificing more valuable resources for a lesser prospect.

Say you plan on taking a guy like Bray in the 2nd. He is not a lesser prospect than Geno from a talent perspective. He is riskier prospect. He has maturity problems and some other off the field troubles. He has all the physical tools to be an elite NFL QB. His dropping has more to do with risk than with tools. And I believe he will be there in late round 1 or round 2.

And what are the big differences in Murray and Wilson. Murray has a better arm. Murray has shown stints of looking like a legit NFL QB but he is inconsistent. They are about the same size.

The point I am trying to make is that I don't believe that the difference between several of these guys is very much. Several of them are bunched together in terms of talent and risk.

If you look at the Ponder, Gabbert and Locker picks, everyone said that Ponder was the worst pick of the three.

Don't let the Chiefs 30 year drought of drafting a QB make you over compensate.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

They are about the same size.

Oh, good. You actually don't know what the **** you're talking about and are just making shit up. Excellent. I can just ignore everything you have to say now.