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Old 01-01-2014, 09:24 AM  
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Johnny Manziel
2 years.....2 highest total offense seasons in SEC history. 9989 total yards in career (most by any player through sophomore season. 63 pass td's and 30 rush td's. Last night's game was amazing. Kiper and McShay have him in top 10 for the draft. Awesome game last night, dude never quits.
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Old 04-11-2014, 01:38 PM   #196
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The problem is that these guys come into the NFL, where they can't outrun everyone, and they can't extend plays to the extent they can in college, and they are asked to stand in the pocket and play the QB position. It doesn't matter how fast you are, when you play a good defensive front at the NFL level they can scheme and spy and bottle you up. If he can't drop and read by this point in his career he's just a project.

You can have a rookie season like RG3 had, but eventually you find that you are never going to take a team anywhere unless you can pass from the pocket.

Is he a better QB prospect than Vick was? Certainly he's not a better athletic talent, and he doesn't have even close to the arm that Vick had. But of course, Vick had the proverbial 10 cent head.

Is he a better prospect than Geno Smith was last year? Geno was more of a passer in college and supposedly was able to pass from the pocket at the NFL level, and he may one day do that, but I don't think you can say that Manziel would have a higher ceiling as a passer.

Measurables aren't everything, but how many guys who are under 6' are starting in the NFL today?

Manziel should be the third QB drafted, and that's if you don't like Carr. You can't rate his chances of becoming a 10 year starter at QB as better than Bridgewater or Bortles.
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Old 04-11-2014, 01:39 PM   #197
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The problem is that these guys come into the NFL, where they can't outrun everyone, and they can't extend plays to the extent they can in college, and they are asked to stand in the pocket and play the QB position. It doesn't matter how fast you are, when you play a good defensive front at the NFL level they can scheme and spy and bottle you up. If he can't drop and read by this point in his career he's just a project.

You can have a rookie season like RG3 had, but eventually you find that you are never going to take a team anywhere unless you can pass from the pocket.

Is he a better QB prospect than Vick was? Certainly he's not a better athletic talent, and he doesn't have even close to the arm that Vick had. But of course, Vick had the proverbial 10 cent head.

Is he a better prospect than Geno Smith was last year? Geno was more of a passer in college and supposedly was able to pass from the pocket at the NFL level, and he may one day do that, but I don't think you can say that Manziel would have a higher ceiling as a passer.

Measurables aren't everything, but how many guys who are under 6' are starting in the NFL today?

Manziel should be the third QB drafted, and that's if you don't like Carr. You can't rate his chances of becoming a 10 year starter at QB as better than Bridgewater or Bortles.
Good post. Critical yet fair.

Once again proving that the truth is somewhere in between.
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Old 04-11-2014, 01:44 PM   #198
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Plus he'd have 6-8 games before Alex gets crunched so he doesn't have to start right away.
Alex was supposed to be injured last season. What happened?
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Old 04-11-2014, 01:45 PM   #199
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The kid has UNREAL field vision, instincts and playmaking ability both as a passer and runner. He is a phenomenal leader and NEVER quits on a play.pair up his raw skills with a coach like Andy Reid that can develop him and the kid could give us a legit 10-15 year window.

Not only that, but the first 5 years would be super cheap.

Pair him with Jamaal Charles and draft a couple receivers and let the kid give us some excitement.
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Old 04-11-2014, 01:47 PM   #200
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I'm not sure what is more comical. Geno nuthuggers or Johnny nuthuggers.
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Old 04-11-2014, 01:48 PM   #201
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The Eastern Illinois recruit? The UDFA? Sucks for Manziel. I like the comparison, and Romo can ball, but I would like to think Johnny is a little more talented.
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Old 04-11-2014, 01:50 PM   #202
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Nah. Romo doesn't have it upstairs.
He does until pressure situations.

Romo has also been a victim of shitty roster construction by Jerrah. He gets into situations where he feels he has to make a play right then to win a game and that's when he starts to make mistakes.
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Old 04-11-2014, 01:52 PM   #203
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What happens when a QB lacks playing time in college?

Mark Sanchez and Matt Cassel.

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Old 04-11-2014, 02:03 PM   #204
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What happens when a QB lacks playing time in college?

Mark Sanchez and Matt Cassel.

I know you're just trolling but...

Johnny Manziel - 25 starts
Mark Sanchez - 16 starts
Matt Cassel - 0 starts
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Old 04-11-2014, 02:09 PM   #205
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I know you're just trolling but...

Johnny Manziel - 25 starts
Mark Sanchez - 16 starts
Matt Cassel - 0 starts
LOL

The lack of playing time in college should be a concern.
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Old 04-11-2014, 02:45 PM   #206
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He would be ridiculously effective in our system, too.
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Old 04-11-2014, 02:49 PM   #207
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He would be ridiculously effective in our system, too.
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Old 04-11-2014, 02:56 PM   #208
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Gargle that spunk!
You don't think Reid's system would favor a guy like Manziel? It favors a guy like Alex Smith, who has similar strengths and similar issues.
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Nah. Romo doesn't have it upstairs.
Here are the Wonderlic scores for some notable QBs:
– Eli Manning: 39
– Tony Romo: 37
– Andrew Luck: 37
– Aaron Rodgers: 35
– Tom Brady: 33
– Peyton Manning: 28
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I almost started to debate...until I saw who posted this.

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