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Old 09-29-2018, 01:06 PM  
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Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

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Old 11-16-2018, 03:26 PM   #2176
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What makes sense is he isn’t playing and if your delusional enough to think he is well then have fun with the let down because what the Chiefs are telling us DOESNT MAKE SENSE so we are left to make our own assumptions and my point is if he was going to play he would be he’s not sitting out for a sore heel all season and coming back football ready for the playoffs. It’s week 11 he’s missed the season. He’s not going to magically return and make a difference. It’s over.
For some reason you guys keep missing the fact he is working out and doing therapy, he isn't sitting on the couch. One reporter stated they have watched him running and doing certain drills. You act like he is immobile and cant do anything at all.

Until he is placed on IR, which for all I know could still happen, I assume they expect him back playing, or else he would be on IR. You also have seen reports multiple times of "The Chiefs expect Berry back at some point" which explains why he isn't on IR.

Not on IR= Expected to play

On IR= Done for the season.


All these other crazy speculations and statements are purely emotion based. Fine you may be right before the season is over. We will see.
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Old 11-16-2018, 03:29 PM   #2177
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They just need to make this priority #1 in the offseason. What to do about this albatross contract. They cant go through another season of this, it makes no sense to do this same dance in 2019.
Well they indeed better hope they never suffer another albatross contract, or, if they do, that the next player they give one to is a more of a gladiator than Berry, because a lot of players just learned an easy way to milk this francise's leadership of money that could otherwise be put to use for players who actually play.

Again, if Berry would just talk about what's going on, I might change my tone, but I won't until he either plays, leaves, ar speaks up (and has a good explanation). But alas, Berry don't give a shit, he be rich!
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Old 11-16-2018, 04:03 PM   #2178
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Old 11-16-2018, 04:51 PM   #2179
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I'm just on a wait and see approach. If we get the 1 seed without him and he comes back late and for the playoffs then awesome. I don't care about the money or the principal of him not fighting through it.

If time really is not on the injuries side then just wait. Maybe he comes up big in a playoff game or something. If he never plays then we can freak out.
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Old 11-16-2018, 05:21 PM   #2180
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:31 PM   #2183
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I wish he would show me on the back of my hand how painful it is.
Have you had plantar fasciitis? If so, very similar when it is flared up!

When it's at it dullest point of pain, it is just a discomfort. When it's on your heel, just think when you lay at night and sleep on your back ( Don't know if Berry is a back sleeper, I am ! ) it can irritate it by the weight of your foot resting on it.

I know, I live with one on my right heel and multiple spurs on both of the bottoms of my feet!It is a pain in the foot!
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This. Pennsyltucky Squirreltits was one of those ****ing VOCAL clowns who actually believed and wished that Smith would still be here for 2018 and beyond. Then of course when Mahomes takes over and lights it the **** up, he disappears like the piece of shit he is.
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Have you had plantar fasciitis? If so, very similar when it is flared up!

When it's at it dullest point of pain, it is just a discomfort. When it's on your heel, just think when you lay at night and sleep on your back ( Don't know if Berry is a back sleeper, I am ! ) it can irritate it by the weight of your foot resting on it.

I know, I live with one on my right heel and multiple spurs on both of the bottoms of my feet!It is a pain in the foot!
No, but Berry will claim that next!

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So what exactly are the Chiefs hoping for? If he has a bone spur it won't just go away will it? He has to have surgery to remove it and yet he isn't having surgery?
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Well they indeed better hope they never suffer another albatross contract, or, if they do, that the next player they give one to is a more of a gladiator than Berry, because a lot of players just learned an easy way to milk this francise's leadership of money that could otherwise be put to use for players who actually play.

Again, if Berry would just talk about what's going on, I might change my tone, but I won't until he either plays, leaves, ar speaks up (and has a good explanation). But alas, Berry don't give a shit, he be rich!
He got paid before Mahomes became a thing here. It was pure desperation on the Chiefs part, but they were in a tough spot because of the image. They didn't want to look like the bad guys and I get it.

But they days of the Chiefs overpaying positions that aren't QB to carry their team because they don't have a QB to overpay are over. Mahomes makes highly paid positional talent a complete afterthought.

They dont need to give a safety or an OLBer 100 million ever again.

Exactly what the Seahawks went through. They didnt need any of those overpaid, injury prone veterans that play random positions. They have Wilson. Who cares, just cut them and replace them. Your QB guarantees you at least 9 or 10 wins every year right out the gate. It's a great luxury to have and the Chiefs now have it so see ya later overpaid positions that don't actually swing the difference in the Win-Loss column.
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One reporter stated they have watched him running and doing certain drills. You act like he is immobile and cant do anything at all.
Then why can't he practice, even as a "limited participant".
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