Chiefs focused on Mahomes, McCaffrey, and Cunningham in RD1

[RunKC]

If the Chiefs want a QB, it's going to have to be rd 1.

Trubisky, Webb, Watson, Mahomes, Kizer and it's looking like Peterman will all be gone by our 2nd rd pick.

If we pick someone in rd 1 it will probably be Webb or Kizer. There's no way in hell Mahomes will be anywhere close to our trade up range. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he's a top 10 pick.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

GM's know what the media knows before the media knows it.

The hype doesn't bother me unless it's coming from NFL front offices. In which case the issue isn't that he's being hyped, it's that other teams value him as highly as I do.

Which sucks because I've had my heart set on the guy since around bowl season when he was seen as a 2nd rounder. I resisted, looked into him more and more and decided this dude was a definite fit. Now the ****er might end up going 12....goddammit.

But picking 27 is a result of the awesome winning the Chiefs accomplished last season.

****ing paper tigers. The qb is a big problem, but the whole roster clenched up when it needed to perform. Players have to own it.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Mahomes is being brought up constantly on TV. He will never last to our pick the way the media is hyping him up. This morning alone 3 football shows were all hyping him up as a rising draft prospect. I want him tobbe the pick but he maybe out of reach even for a trade up.

Patty Football is going to find out soon that these are all picks in the NFL. He has some seriously bad habits that translate to turnover machine. It's almost like he learned how to play QB by cheesing on Madden.















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[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by ASS11

Patty Football is going to find out soon that these are all picks in the NFL. He has some seriously bad habits that translate to turnover machine. It's almost like he learned how to play QB by cheesing on Madden.

And if he didn't have that issue, he'd be the #1 Overall. The only reason we can even discuss the guy is because he has some negative traits.

People are excited about him, and he's being talked about as a 1st round pick for all the reasons you carefully chose not to mention.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

And if he didn't have that issue, he'd be the #1 Overall. The only reason we can even discuss the guy is because he has some negative traits.

People are excited about him, and he's being talked about as a 1st round pick for all the reasons you carefully chose not to mention.

Exactly.

Our quarterback in 4 years is going to be one of two things - a physically limited guy we got in the 3rd/4th round who will be little more than a continuation of Alex Smith (i.e. Nate Peterman) or a guy with a ton of tools who has warts that the staff will have to either fix or work around (Mahomes, Webb).

There's not really an in-between for teams drafting late. You're not getting Andrew Luck yet with Mahomes you're getting a guy with that kind of arm talent who simply needs to learn to harness it.

He might fail. It's still worth the risk to find out.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Exactly.

Our quarterback in 4 years is going to be one of two things - a physically limited guy we got in the 3rd/4th round who will be little more than a continuation of Alex Smith (i.e. Nate Peterman) or a guy with a ton of tools who has warts that the staff will have to either fix or work around (Mahomes, Webb).

There's not really an in-between for teams drafting late. You're not getting Andrew Luck yet with Mahomes you're getting a guy with that kind of arm talent who simply needs to learn to harness it.

He might fail. It's still worth the risk to find out.

... and Andrew Luck is the high-water mark because he has accomplished... what exactly? oh, that's right. No SB wins... which is.. the ONLY actual accomplishment by CP standards.. so to this point.. Luck has been nothing but a massive failure.

or are we simply changing the rules as we go now?

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Exactly.

Our quarterback in 4 years is going to be one of two things - a physically limited guy we got in the 3rd/4th round who will be little more than a continuation of Alex Smith (i.e. Nate Peterman) or a guy with a ton of tools who has warts that the staff will have to either fix or work around (Mahomes, Webb).

There's not really an in-between for teams drafting late.

You are ignoring 40 years of Chiefs football. The most likely choice for QB is a trade or release from San Fran or New England.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

And if he didn't have that issue, he'd be the #1 Overall. The only reason we can even discuss the guy is because he has some negative traits.

People are excited about him, and he's being talked about as a 1st round pick for all the reasons you carefully chose not to mention.

The only reason people are talking about him is his arm. That fools people into saying "well it we fix his mechanics, he'll be as good as Aaron Rodgers" even though mechanics are very hard to fix. There's a reason Blake Bortles is in his 4th year and had to rehire his mechanics coach.
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[O.city]

Originally Posted by -King-

The only reason people are talking about him is his arm. That fools people into saying "well it we fix his mechanics, he'll be as good as Aaron Rodgers" even though mechanics are very hard to fix. There's a reason Blake Bortles is in his 4th year and had to rehire his mechanics coach.
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Eh, it's a little different mechanical fix though. Bortles has a shitty throwing motion that's not repeatable. He's always had accuracy issues and imo, he doesn't seem to want to fix it.

Throwing motion changes won't work or very rarely, they will. That shits muscle memory and that's not easy.

Footwork and the like seems more of a repetition kind of thing and frankly, I'm not sure Mahomes has ever been held to the standard of working on it. Those tech coaches seem to be a results over process kind of system.

Very few qbs are gonna come into the league not needing some mechanical tweets these days and the chiefs are gonna likely have to take a prospect who'll need some ironing out.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by -King-

The only reason people are talking about him is his arm. That fools people into saying "well it we fix his mechanics, he'll be as good as Aaron Rodgers" even though mechanics are very hard to fix. There's a reason Blake Bortles is in his 4th year and had to rehire his mechanics coach.
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I agree, and it was certainly my initial concern with him.

I hate the "we can fix his mechanics" line, as that rarely ever works out. These guys are who they are.

What makes Mahomes intriguing is that, at times, he really makes his non-traditional mechanics work for him.

All of a sudden it goes from "shit mechanics" to "multiple throwing angles".

The more and more i think about it, the more i believe that it's not his mechanics that are the most concerning, it's whether or not he can pick up an NFL offense and read defenses quickly and effeciently.

IF he can read a defense, then those "poor mechanics" will start to look like "unique throwing angles", as he'll be able to anticipate his recievers coming open, not panic, and use his natural talent to deliver a strike. When you watch his college vids, accuracy isn't really an issue for him when he's playing relaxed.

If he can't, he'll mis-read defenders, panic, and force passes thus resulting into turnovers. All of a sudden, those poor mechanics will look like....well...poor mechanics, as the ball will sail etc, like most rushed, erratic, errant passes do.

[MahiMike]

Originally Posted by -King-

The only reason people are talking about him is his arm. That fools people into saying "well it we fix his mechanics, he'll be as good as Aaron Rodgers" even though mechanics are very hard to fix. There's a reason Blake Bortles is in his 4th year and had to rehire his mechanics coach.
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I watched the videos of Mahomes and 1st thing I thought - this guy's a baseball player, not a QB. Then he told Gruden, he got this way from playing shortstop.

That's not good. It's ok once in a while but with his short height, he's gonna have a lot of tipped balls.

Just don't think you can 'unlearn' his habits.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Patty Football is going to find out soon that these are all picks in the NFL. He has some seriously bad habits that translate to turnover machine. It's almost like he learned how to play QB by cheesing on Madden.















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Hilarious that your main criticism is one of his biggest strengths. I think a lot of people underestimated his arm strength and vision. That’s where the Manziel comparison falls apart.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Hilarious that your main criticism is one of his biggest strengths. I think a lot of people underestimated his arm strength and vision. That’s where the Manziel comparison falls apart.

What an unbelievably bad take by Clay.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Hilarious that your main criticism is one of his biggest strengths. I think a lot of people underestimated his arm strength and vision. That’s where the Manziel comparison falls apart.

Scouts didn’t like Pat bc of his decision making. And yeah some of it was bad, but it wasn’t his fault. You guys had the worst defense in CFB. I’d Pat didn’t score every drive it was gonna be a loss.

No wonder he was so aggressive. But hey great for us. That helped him fall to us.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Scouts didn’t like Pat bc of his decision making. And yeah some of it was bad, but it wasn’t his fault. You guys had the worst defense in CFB. I’d Pat didn’t score every drive it was gonna be a loss.

No wonder he was so aggressive. But hey great for us. That helped him fall to us.

Yeah, those criticizing the year he spent behind Alex are definitely using 50/50 hindsight. Andy, Pat Sr., and Patrick have all talked about how instrumental that year behind Alex in Andy’s system was for Patrick’s development.

I think he would have been a gunslinger anyway, but if he got rolled out behind an ass line like the Dolphins he would have had some growing pains during year 1 for sure. Especially if he got drafted by a Grigson like GM. Patrick would have figured it out I think, but getting into Reid’s system was a godsend for his development.