Chris Weinke (IMG Academy) Talks with Danny Parkins about upcoming QB class.

[fairladyZ]

Originally Posted by silver5liter

Basically this. his arm isn't as strong as genos.

oh for sure i think mechanically he's tapped out, i think he can get a little stronger but not much. But also in that list we've been talking about of QB's in the league i would put barkley's arm in the top half of the league right now the way it sits. Yes geno as far as arm talent has a higher ceiling then barkley.

I don't think matt has hit his ceiling as a QB though. he's a smart kid with very very high football IQ. with changing plays and audibling at the line he could very well become the chess match guru like peyton is at the line.

what about this as a connection. Andy reid is mormon.. Barkley is mormon.. #1 overall? lol

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

oh for sure i think mechanically he's tapped out, i think he can get a little stronger but not much. But also in that list we've been talking about of QB's in the league i would put barkley's arm in the top half of the league right now the way it sits. Yes geno as far as arm talent has a higher ceiling then barkley.

I don't think matt has hit his ceiling as a QB though. he's a smart kid with very very high football IQ. with changing plays and audibling at the line he could very well become the chess match guru like peyton is at the line.

what about this as a connection. Andy reid is mormon.. Barkley is mormon.. #1 overall? lol

I don't see any Peyton Manning in Barkley, sorry.

[fairladyZ]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't see any Peyton Manning in Barkley, sorry.

not yet no but i think he has the smarts and the drive to push himself to try to get there. smart with pre-snap reads, smart with audibles, very good at manipulating defenses with his eyes, has a great pumpfake, student of the game and has been being groomed since a boy to do this. I think barkley has the highest floor out of the QB's and has just as high a ceiling as the others.

really wish he was taller though

[O.city]

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

not yet no but i think he has the smarts and the drive to push himself to try to get there. smart with pre-snap reads, smart with audibles, very good at manipulating defenses with his eyes, has a great pumpfake, student of the game and has been being groomed since a boy to do this. I think barkley has the highest floor out of the QB's and has just as high a ceiling as the others.

really wish he was taller though

This is where you are getting off though. His physical abilities don't allow him to have as high of a ceiling as the others.


All that stuff you just said is great, and I'm sure he could be great at it. But in the end he has to have arm strength and accuracy to get the ball where it needs to go.


Thats what I question.

[RunKC]

I can see Barkley succeeding here. We have the talent/coaching to help him out.

Charles has helped much worse look like a competent *ahem Cassel*

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

not yet no but i think he has the smarts and the drive to push himself to try to get there. smart with pre-snap reads, smart with audibles, very good at manipulating defenses with his eyes, has a great pumpfake, student of the game and has been being groomed since a boy to do this. I think barkley has the highest floor out of the QB's and has just as high a ceiling as the others.

really wish he was taller though

Just don't agree at all.

He has the highest floor, yes. But his ceiling isn't close to Wilson's or Geno's.

[silver5liter]

Originally Posted by Strongside

fixed...now try it...link was broken.

My god that is amazing, I was close lol

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by silver5liter

My god that is amazing, I was close lol

If that ever happens, hit the post number towards the top right of he post and it will open that single post in a separate window. That's the only way I can see some of the posted pics when I'm on my phone.

[BossChief]

I wouldn't be pissed if we took Barkley, but I would be disappointed. The kid is like Palmer, who was a really good player till he got kimod.

[O.city]

Coming from USC, Barkley is pretty much a finished project at this point. And no, he's not in the top half of the league.

[silver5liter]

He also had an under 70 percent completion rate, 15 ints, throwing to some of the best talented wrs in the league with a great line (which geno and Wilson didn't get the benefit of)

[silver5liter]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

This.

Noodle arm? No.

But Geno has a slight edge in arm strength right now and if Geno can work on his mechanics, that gap will get wider and wider.

Ok, not a full on noodle, like maybe a half cooked noodle.

[silver5liter]

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

agreed geno's arm is a slight edge at this point and has potential to grow i've never said otherwise. I just say barkley's arm is above average and under estimated by most.

And barkley's line WAS not very good, and neither was his Defense. Yes he had stud WR's but so did Geno. Barkley kept his team in the oregon and UCLA games and USC went to complete and total shit once they lost him for the season

Barkleys line was pretty damn good man. I don't have the stats but watching Wvus line and uscs its like night and day.

[fairladyZ]

Originally Posted by silver5liter

Barkleys line was pretty damn good man. I don't have the stats but watching Wvus line and uscs its like night and day.

i wouldn't say it was pretty damn good.. THey hurt pretty bad by loosing kalil. THey weren't as bad was WVU but they weren't good by any means.

[fairladyZ]

he has plenty of arm strength for the NFL and he's plenty accurate to. Hell he's got a stronger arm that half the NFL at this point. Accuracy he's had and he can even learn more and go farther. Especially with a system and coach like reid. Hell peyton has a ****ing NOODLE arm but he does what he does cause he's smart and he has the system perfectly fit to him.

I'm a firm believer that accuracy is a product of the system that you put around your QB. Granted there is natural accuracy, that i think barkley and geno both have. But system and coaching can take it to that elite level, ala geno in his air raid system with his teams system