Chiefs Joeckel vs. Alberts - Page 15

**FRCDFED** · 02-22-2013, 10:32 PM

I know I probably misspelled his name but I want to get everyones true opinion of Joeckel. We want to sign Alberts but I believe most on here are in agreement that he isn't worth top 5 money. At the moment we don't know his demands.

Ever since Alberts was drafted we have debated on here whether or not he should be playing T or G. Mostly because he was a G in college. Most on here would agree that he is a pretty solid LT just not elite.

With that being said.........how does everyone really feel about potentially having a prototipical LT in Joeckel? Put the whole QB situation aside for a minute and just think of the OL.

If we came out of the draft with Joeckel and potentially Barkley if we traded back up or he fell for some reason then wouldn't that be a great start?

OrtonsPiercedTaint · 02-23-2013, 01:13 PM

Must be time to move a CB to #1. So he will eventually get cut down to size too.

htismaqe · 02-23-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal

He looked physically weak compared to the other linemen.

He wasn't impressive on the bench, either.

Cannibal · 02-23-2013, 01:16 PM

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-dra...l-40-yard-dash

Luke Joeckel, arguably the top player in the 2013 NFL Draft ran poor 40-yard dash times at the NFL Combine.

Unofficially, he ran times of 5.22 and 5.35, while Lane Johnson ran a 4.75 in both of his chances. Joeckel's closest competition for the top tackle spot in the draft, Eric Fisher, ran an unofficial 5.01 and a 5.07.

Consider this a warning. People are going to start talking about how Joeckel's 40-yard dash time compares favorably to Cincinnati Bengals right tackle Andre Smith. Or how the best tackles taken in recent years – Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Duane Brown, Trent Williams, Russell Okung, Tyron Smith and Matt Kalil – all broke the five-second mark in the 40.

They're also going to bring up NFL Network's Mike Mayock saying he's "a bit concerned" how Joeckel handled speed rushers and that he was beat on the inside.

But remember at the 2010 combine when Bruce Campbell of Maryland ran a 4.78? Or in 2007 when Allen Barbre ran a 4.84? NFL teams probably don't.

The point is, the 40-yard dash for offensive tackles largely doesn't matter. The 40-yard dash doesn't measure athleticism. It's not the three-cone drill. The drill tests pure speed, and nothing else. It's notable that Joeckel ran slow times. It's not newsworthy. It certainly shouldn't hurt his NFL Draft stock. He should still be the first tackle selected.

"Yeah, definitely coming into this thing I wanted to be the first tackle taken in the draft," Joeckel said at the NFL Combine. "Now I know it’s a long process until then. I’m trying to do every single thing right to make sure that happens. I know it’s a competition between him (Central Michigan’s Eric Fisher) against the other guys, you know (Oklahoma’s) Lane Johnson. It’s good type of competition between all of us. That’s one of the fun parts about the combine – the competition aspect of it, going against some of the best athletes at your position in the country."

Coogs · 02-23-2013, 01:18 PM

I would like to think Brandon Albert got a little bit richer today.

I also would like to believe the QB's in this draft started picking up some steam in their rise to the top of the draft.

htismaqe · 02-23-2013, 01:18 PM

The most significant portion of his 40 is that he looked like he was slow getting started.

That's a BIG problem for a lineman.

The biggest concern about Joeckel is that he's a pure "finesse" player and lacks strength. So far, he's showing that those concerns are absolutely valid.

Just wait until they run the "explosion" drills and he fails those too.

Mr. Laz · 02-23-2013, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannibal

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-dra...l-40-yard-dash

Luke Joeckel, arguably the top player in the 2013 NFL Draft ran poor 40-yard dash times at the NFL Combine.

Unofficially, he ran times of 5.22 and 5.35, while Lane Johnson ran a 4.75 in both of his chances. Joeckel's closest competition for the top tackle spot in the draft, Eric Fisher, ran an unofficial 5.01 and a 5.07.

I don't really care about the 40

I'm far more concerned with how slow he started ... very little explosion. He also looked pretty 'dumpy'. I'm not sure if he considers himself in shape or not but he doesn't look it.

mcaj22 · 02-23-2013, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The most significant portion of his 40 is that he looked like he was slow getting started.

That's a BIG problem for a lineman.

The biggest concern about Joeckel is that he's a pure "finesse" player and lacks strength. So far, he's showing that those concerns are absolutely valid.

Just wait until they run the "explosion" drills and he fails those too.

the irony that he's a "finesse" LT and the prediction out on him is he will get beat like a drum by every NFL next level speed rusher out there.

great

Cannibal · 02-23-2013, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The most significant portion of his 40 is that he looked like he was slow getting started.

That's a BIG problem for a lineman.

The biggest concern about Joeckel is that he's a pure "finesse" player and lacks strength. So far, he's showing that those concerns are absolutely valid.

Just wait until they run the "explosion" drills and he fails those too.

His stock is dropping. The pundits are looking stupid.

Jerm · 02-23-2013, 01:24 PM

I told a buddy a couple of weeks ago that I'd take Fisher over Joeckel 10 times out of 10 and Joeckel is the most overrated guy in the draft....still no doubt in my mind.

Manziel and their scheme made Joeckel look like a million bucks.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-23-2013, 04:55 PM

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I knew i shouldnt have clicked on this dumb thread.

man, you aint kiddin. The next time this mother****er comes to the inbox, im going right to unsubscribe and not looking back.
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-23-2013, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Absolutely false.

I participate in a couple of team-agnostic draftnik board and this is absolutely false.

In fact, a lot of those people think Chiefs fans are stupid.

i agree.
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**AustinChief** · 02-23-2013, 05:17 PM

Drafting the 2nd best LT coming out this year (I honestly think Fisher is better than Joekel) would be insanely stupid when you have legit options available as free agents. Obviously your best bet is to sign the guy you have... BUT if that is somehow not possible... you have a ton of decent options this year without having to use the #1 pick. I am a huge proponent of a strong Oline but using our 1st rounder on oline this year is about the only draft choice that would piss me off. If we don't go QB, we need to scramble to trade down(not likely) or look at CB. But if we need a LT, there are plenty of serviceable free agents this year.

**AustinChief** · 02-23-2013, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannibal

His stock is dropping. The pundits are looking stupid.

I never understood why he was rated so high to begin with. Fisher I get, but not Joekel.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-23-2013, 05:52 PM

black friday his ass.
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02-22-2013, 10:32 PM
FRCDFED Line'em up Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: somewhere out there Casino cash: $9326297	Joeckel vs. Alberts I know I probably misspelled his name but I want to get everyones true opinion of Joeckel. We want to sign Alberts but I believe most on here are in agreement that he isn't worth top 5 money. At the moment we don't know his demands. Ever since Alberts was drafted we have debated on here whether or not he should be playing T or G. Mostly because he was a G in college. Most on here would agree that he is a pretty solid LT just not elite. With that being said.........how does everyone really feel about potentially having a prototipical LT in Joeckel? Put the whole QB situation aside for a minute and just think of the OL. If we came out of the draft with Joeckel and potentially Barkley if we traded back up or he fell for some reason then wouldn't that be a great start?
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02-23-2013, 01:13 PM	#211
OrtonsPiercedTaint MVP Join Date: Dec 2012 Casino cash: $10004980	Must be time to move a CB to #1. So he will eventually get cut down to size too.
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02-23-2013, 01:16 PM	#213
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-dra...l-40-yard-dash Luke Joeckel, arguably the top player in the 2013 NFL Draft ran poor 40-yard dash times at the NFL Combine. Unofficially, he ran times of 5.22 and 5.35, while Lane Johnson ran a 4.75 in both of his chances. Joeckel's closest competition for the top tackle spot in the draft, Eric Fisher, ran an unofficial 5.01 and a 5.07. Consider this a warning. People are going to start talking about how Joeckel's 40-yard dash time compares favorably to Cincinnati Bengals right tackle Andre Smith. Or how the best tackles taken in recent years – Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Duane Brown, Trent Williams, Russell Okung, Tyron Smith and Matt Kalil – all broke the five-second mark in the 40. They're also going to bring up NFL Network's Mike Mayock saying he's "a bit concerned" how Joeckel handled speed rushers and that he was beat on the inside. But remember at the 2010 combine when Bruce Campbell of Maryland ran a 4.78? Or in 2007 when Allen Barbre ran a 4.84? NFL teams probably don't. The point is, the 40-yard dash for offensive tackles largely doesn't matter. The 40-yard dash doesn't measure athleticism. It's not the three-cone drill. The drill tests pure speed, and nothing else. It's notable that Joeckel ran slow times. It's not newsworthy. It certainly shouldn't hurt his NFL Draft stock. He should still be the first tackle selected. "Yeah, definitely coming into this thing I wanted to be the first tackle taken in the draft," Joeckel said at the NFL Combine. "Now I know it’s a long process until then. I’m trying to do every single thing right to make sure that happens. I know it’s a competition between him (Central Michigan’s Eric Fisher) against the other guys, you know (Oklahoma’s) Lane Johnson. It’s good type of competition between all of us. That’s one of the fun parts about the combine – the competition aspect of it, going against some of the best athletes at your position in the country."
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02-23-2013, 01:18 PM	#214
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1274349	I would like to think Brandon Albert got a little bit richer today. I also would like to believe the QB's in this draft started picking up some steam in their rise to the top of the draft.
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02-23-2013, 01:18 PM	#215
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	The most significant portion of his 40 is that he looked like he was slow getting started. That's a BIG problem for a lineman. The biggest concern about Joeckel is that he's a pure "finesse" player and lacks strength. So far, he's showing that those concerns are absolutely valid. Just wait until they run the "explosion" drills and he fails those too.
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02-23-2013, 01:24 PM	#219
Jerm Mahomes > God Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $5668996	I told a buddy a couple of weeks ago that I'd take Fisher over Joeckel 10 times out of 10 and Joeckel is the most overrated guy in the draft....still no doubt in my mind. Manziel and their scheme made Joeckel look like a million bucks.
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02-23-2013, 05:17 PM	#222
AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $2339112	Drafting the 2nd best LT coming out this year (I honestly think Fisher is better than Joekel) would be insanely stupid when you have legit options available as free agents. Obviously your best bet is to sign the guy you have... BUT if that is somehow not possible... you have a ton of decent options this year without having to use the #1 pick. I am a huge proponent of a strong Oline but using our 1st rounder on oline this year is about the only draft choice that would piss me off. If we don't go QB, we need to scramble to trade down(not likely) or look at CB. But if we need a LT, there are plenty of serviceable free agents this year.
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02-23-2013, 05:52 PM	#224
Sweet Daddy Hate Unsparing Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	black friday his ass. Posted via Mobile Device
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