ghosts

[Thig Lyfe]

are they real

[booger]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

I saw a ghost of Marilyn Chambers ass in the air. I was NOT scared at all.

put on a coozie i bet its cold in there!

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Donger

Sorry, but that isn't what you stated. You stated: "a belief in ghosts when the bible precludes the possibity?"

Not mentioning ghosts doesn't mean that the Bible precludes the possibility of them existing.

Yes it does. In order for ghosts to exist under Christian theology taken from the Bible, either God would have to misplace souls on earth by accident or God would have to allow animated souls with Free Will to roam earth on purpose. There is absolutly no reference to either possiblity in the Bible.

The best I can figure from my reading of the bible is that souls of the dead sleep until the final judgment day. Even Jesus was attributed to saying "Lazarus sleeps" in reference to Lazarus being dead.

Hell, even Christ's divine soul was inanimate for 3 days, only appearing to his followers after his resurrection, and that was in body not as a ghost. Doubting Thomas actually felt the holes in his hands and feet - so Christ returned in flesh form resurrected, not as a ghost.

"Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."- Luke 24:36-39

Hey, I'm not asking you not to believe in ghosts. I am only saying a belief in ghosts is directly opposed to Christian theology. There is no wiggle room for believing in Christ and believing in ghosts. The bible is pretty clear on that. Dead souls sleep or are in stasis pending Christ's 2nd coming. They aren't running around loose on earth. Ghosts are not possible under any reading of Christian theology.

That is why I directed my question to Christians. Either there are no ghosts or there is no God and the bible is all made up. It can't be any other way.

Don't blame me. I didn't write the bible.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

There is absolutly no reference to either possiblity in the Bible.

The Bible doesn't mention General Relativity or Justin Bieber either. But they exist.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Or extraterrestrials or bigfoot or Nessie or witches or vampires. Good luck with all that stuff. Not an iota of proof in the bunch.

yep

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by scott free

That is 100% pure lie.

OK, I'm willing to believe. Show me this documented proven example of a ghost with visual proof. If you can't, then take your 100% pure lie comment and shove it up your ass.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

OK, I'm willing to believe. Show me this documented proven example of a ghost with visual proof. If you can't, then take your 100% pure lie comment and shove it up your ass.

I don't really care about visual proof. That "evidence" would be highly subjective. One thing that's always given me pause about "proof of ghosts" is actually a part of physics: the conservation of energy.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Donger

I don't really care about visual proof. That "evidence" would be highly subjective. One thing that's always given me pause about "proof of ghosts" is actually a part of physics: the conservation of energy.

One subject that has always eluded me was physics. Please enlighten me on the conservation of energy and how it pertains to ghosts.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Donger

The Bible doesn't mention General Relativity or Justin Bieber either. But they exist.

Death, resurrection, the afterlife, Heaven, Hell, the immortal soul. All of this is central to Christian theology and discussed ad nauseum in the bible. The entire discussion of the immortal soul is paramount throught the bible. I don't buy your inference that the authors would have over looked a little detail like God leaving you free to wander the material world while you are waiting.

But you can go ahead and pretend all that wasn't covered exhaustively in the bible.

Ghosts aren't possible under Christian theology.

The only possible biblical explanation for hauntings would be demons, or angels I guess.

I'm not trying to advocate just a personal belief here. I'm just trying to represent a position as written in the bible. I'm not pulling this out of my ass you know.

[KC native]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

One subject that has always eluded me was physics. Please enlighten me on the conservation of energy and how it pertains to ghosts.

E=MC GHOZT SON

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by KC native

E=MC GHOZT SON

I loved MC GHOZT SON's last CD. It was off the chain.

[KC native]

HAY EERY1 I FOUND PROOF OF A GROUP OF GHOSTS

[KC native]

I DUN KNOW IF THIZ GUY IS A REAL GHOZT OR A GHOST KILLAH

[Donger]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

One subject that has always eluded me was physics. Please enlighten me on the conservation of energy and how it pertains to ghosts.

It pretty much states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, merely transformed. Humans have energy. When we die, where does that energy go? Just absorbed into the surroundings? Possibly, or...

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

I don't buy your inference that the authors would have over looked a little detail like God leaving you free to wander the material world while you are waiting.

That's fine. You don't have to "buy it."

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

I'm not pulling this out of my ass you know.

Sure you are.

[Iowanian]

I wasn't sure about the subject either way and was pretty skeptical until I was convinced in a personal manner.

The short story as told here before is....I moved into a rental. The house felt strange, I had the eeby jeebies all of the time, especially in the basement. Weird things happened regularly, mostly explainable...like a bat slapping me in the back of the head one night as I watched TV...or the bees that came out of the ceiling fan in the winter.

I couldn't explain the loud noise that woke me up one night. I could tell you that it sounded like someone was rattling antlers with fists full of plastic and paper bags(closest I can explain)..louder and louder until I woke up. Can't explain what the large shadow standing over my bed was either. I closed my eyes, opened them back up....still there.
Fight or flight kicks in, I get pissed off...the the afraid pissed off and I yell at it to Get the F out of my house...or something similar. I hear a large "WHOOOOOOOOF".....like if you pour gas on a leaf pile and wait a little bit too long to light it.

Then silence. I slept like a baby the rest of the night.

Next morning I wake up thinking it might have been a dream or something....until I went outside and saw glass all over 2 sides of my yard. The north and east attic windows were blown completely from the frames. Not a single piece of glass was inside the house or remained in the frame.

There was no wind, there was no storm, there were no leaves or branches on the ground. Only glass scattered further than you'd think it could be.

After that day, nothing else strange happened while I lived there. I can't tell you what it was, I can't explain it, but I can guarantee it happened very close to the way I've just explained it.