Chiefs Let's Talk About Nagy's Playcalling - Page 15

**Bowser** · 10-29-2023, 06:50 PM

I think we can all agree that our offense has been "off" all season, minus the Bears and Chargers games. Mahomes hasn't looked himself by and large, and that could well be because of the talent around him, but watching the plays unfold just makes me wonder why some of the plays are being called in the first place.

Today was an abomination on many fronts with the offense but it sure looked a good deal like an Alex Smith game plan, minus Mahomes' patented making something out of nothing scramble drill passes. The run plays were predictable and getting nothing, but they kept forcing them. We threw the ball laterally as much as horizontally (seemingly), and the plays themselves just look, well, off.

Is it Nagy, is it Mahomes, is it the talent outside of Mahomes and Kelce, or is it a combination of all that? Or was this game just an outlier and our annual piss down our legs game as has been suggested, and I'm just OMG-ing for no good reason?

Something FEELS different than in the past so far this season. I would love to put my finger on what it is, precisely.

Red Dawg · 11-06-2023, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Are the interior 3 really that good at run blocking?

Not this year and Andy knows it.

crispystl · 11-06-2023, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

No, you didn't imagine it. It looked like that's what happened. But, we do have a problem scoring in the second half of games. If it wasn't for that, I'd be all in on your theory.

That first scripted drive was beautiful.

crispystl · 11-06-2023, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CadeMeister

Third and 1 late in 4th quarter and a chance to ICE the Fins. Reid calls a ****ing pass. A ****ing pass on 3rd and 1. I'm sorry that's not going to win a SB this year. Don't give a rats ass about years past.

WTF are you?

crispystl · 11-06-2023, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

I was ready to break shit on that 3rd and 1.

Even if they didn’t get the first, the clock is running and they’re punting from the 2 min warning.

10 runs like mama possessed, and the interior 3 are as good as any in the league. If this tram can’t run for 1 yard on occasion, something is drastically wrong.

This^
I was screaming at the TV to RUN THE ****ING ball before the play

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chiefzilla1501 · 11-06-2023, 11:01 AM

We need to just run the ball. I'm not crazy about the tush push. Eagles run it tremendously. I've seen other teams run it and the QB is getting absolutely blasted. Maybe in crunch time or the playoffs. For now let's just figure out how to do this so we can use qb as last resort.

tredadda · 11-06-2023, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

We need to just run the ball. I'm not crazy about the tush push. Eagles run it tremendously. I've seen other teams run it and the QB is getting absolutely blasted. Maybe in crunch time or the playoffs. For now let's just figure out how to do this so we can use qb as last resort.

The Eagles are successful with it because they have a good OLine, elite C, and a QB who is good at gaining a yard or two on the ground. We have the same except for a HC willing to run a QB sneak. I will be shocked to ever see one here as long as Andy is HC.

JPH83 · 11-06-2023, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

The Eagles are successful with it because they have a good OLine, elite C, and a QB who is good at gaining a yard or two on the ground. We have the same except for a HC willing to run a QB sneak. I will be shocked to ever see one here as long as Andy is HC.

The Eagles OL is better than ours and they utilise their OTs for that play, and other run plays, really well. Our IOL is great but it isn't playing at the level it can. Some of it I think is taking time to gel with the OTs, some I think maybe just be a loss of form. It happens.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-06-2023, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

The Eagles are successful with it because they have a good OLine, elite C, and a QB who is good at gaining a yard or two on the ground. We have the same except for a HC willing to run a QB sneak. I will be shocked to ever see one here as long as Andy is HC.

I’m sure we can be successful with it. It just feels like it’s very unsafe for mahomes. I feel like hurts is a unique breed who can not only run it well but can also do it safely. He has a crazy strong lower body so he can really get low and keep himself way less exposed. Qb sneaks on the other hand… yeah I’d be ok with it but I’m also ok if we don’t want to expose mahomes during regular season games

JohnnyV13 · 11-06-2023, 02:17 PM

Well, Nagy is doing the same fine job that helped him become coach of the year in Chicago in 2018 and develop Mitch Trubisky's career...

-King- · 11-20-2023, 11:23 PM

As bad as the receivers are, Nagy and the rest of the offensive coaches are putting them in a position to fail damn near every game. The rotations, the routes, the playcalling etc give players zero chance to build chemistry with Mahomes and even put up average numbers.

Players are just making way too many fundamental mistakes that have nothing to do with their talent. They're running wrong routes and making some of the worst adjustments I've ever seen mid route and when the ball is in the air. There's no reason Byron Pringle and Demarcus Robinson were decent in this offense but the current WR corp is this bad at just doing simple shit that should be practiced and repped during the week.

EB to Nagy is really seeming like a downgrade based on the lack of preparation the offense shows every single week. Even the bad spells they had under EB you could just chalk it up to players having bad games. This is just flat out incompetence from top to bottom. A team with a good QB shouldn't look this bad much less a team with the best QB in history. The Commanders with Sam Howell at QB are now averaging more points and yards than us!

FloridaMan88 · 11-20-2023, 11:25 PM

I have no idea what Nagy’s specific role or responsibilities are.

But if you have the title, “Offensive Coordinator” and your offense with Patrick Mahomes hasn’t scored a second half point (even a FG) in 28 days… you deserve to have your job security questioned.

RunKC · 11-20-2023, 11:30 PM

Dumb post. Playcalling was the best it's been since the Super Bowl. We ran it with Pacheco on 3rd and short multiple times, we didn't ignore the running game, WR's were schemed open continuously.

FFS. MVS was schemed open for a big gain TWICE including that back breaking play and Watson was open downfield multiple times in the game but ran the wrong route and dropped the ****ing ball that was a perfect pass.

It's the ****ing players. Andy and Nagy are off the hook this time. You couldn't have coached a better ****ing game on offense.

****ing CATCH.

KC Hawks · 11-20-2023, 11:30 PM

Reid is the play caller. It's been the same since he got here.

I do think we miss EB from a hard-ass perspective though. He was a good counter-balance to Andy and I don't think we've replaced that.

Hammock Parties · 11-20-2023, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Dumb post. Playcalling was the best it's been since the Super Bowl. We ran it with Pacheco on 3rd and short multiple times, we didn't ignore the running game, WR's were schemed open continuously.

FFS. MVS was schemed open for a big gain TWICE including that back breaking play and Watson was open downfield multiple times in the game but ran the wrong route and dropped the ****ing ball that was a perfect pass.

It's the ****ing players. Andy and Nagy are off the hook this time. You couldn't have coached a better ****ing game on offense.

****ing CATCH.

Chiefs are 3 or 4 drops from being 10-0.

I trust Andy to get this fixed for the postseason.

**Rausch** · 11-20-2023, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Dumb post. Playcalling was the best it's been since the Super Bowl. We ran it with Pacheco on 3rd and short multiple times, we didn't ignore the running game, WR's were schemed open continuously.

FFS. MVS was schemed open for a big gain TWICE including that back breaking play and Watson was open downfield multiple times in the game but ran the wrong route and dropped the ****ing ball that was a perfect pass.

It's the ****ing players. Andy and Nagy are off the hook this time. You couldn't have coached a better ****ing game on offense.

****ing CATCH.

That's it. MVS went full MVS and MVS the hell outta' this game.

These young WR's dropped passes across the board. Guys were not where the football was going. Watson had a chance to shine tonight and he shit the bed when it mattered.

I'm glad they're getting the practice 'cause they sure do need it. They'll either get better or they'll keep getting the L around their necks.

10-29-2023, 06:50 PM
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $3121616	Let's Talk About Nagy's Playcalling I think we can all agree that our offense has been "off" all season, minus the Bears and Chargers games. Mahomes hasn't looked himself by and large, and that could well be because of the talent around him, but watching the plays unfold just makes me wonder why some of the plays are being called in the first place. Today was an abomination on many fronts with the offense but it sure looked a good deal like an Alex Smith game plan, minus Mahomes' patented making something out of nothing scramble drill passes. The run plays were predictable and getting nothing, but they kept forcing them. We threw the ball laterally as much as horizontally (seemingly), and the plays themselves just look, well, off. Is it Nagy, is it Mahomes, is it the talent outside of Mahomes and Kelce, or is it a combination of all that? Or was this game just an outlier and our annual piss down our legs game as has been suggested, and I'm just OMG-ing for no good reason? Something FEELS different than in the past so far this season. I would love to put my finger on what it is, precisely.
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11-06-2023, 11:01 AM	#215
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $1744497	We need to just run the ball. I'm not crazy about the tush push. Eagles run it tremendously. I've seen other teams run it and the QB is getting absolutely blasted. Maybe in crunch time or the playoffs. For now let's just figure out how to do this so we can use qb as last resort.
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11-06-2023, 02:17 PM	#219
JohnnyV13 Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tucson AZ Casino cash: $6115200	Well, Nagy is doing the same fine job that helped him become coach of the year in Chicago in 2018 and develop Mitch Trubisky's career...
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11-20-2023, 11:23 PM	#220
-King- ▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓ Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $2125743	As bad as the receivers are, Nagy and the rest of the offensive coaches are putting them in a position to fail damn near every game. The rotations, the routes, the playcalling etc give players zero chance to build chemistry with Mahomes and even put up average numbers. Players are just making way too many fundamental mistakes that have nothing to do with their talent. They're running wrong routes and making some of the worst adjustments I've ever seen mid route and when the ball is in the air. There's no reason Byron Pringle and Demarcus Robinson were decent in this offense but the current WR corp is this bad at just doing simple shit that should be practiced and repped during the week. EB to Nagy is really seeming like a downgrade based on the lack of preparation the offense shows every single week. Even the bad spells they had under EB you could just chalk it up to players having bad games. This is just flat out incompetence from top to bottom. A team with a good QB shouldn't look this bad much less a team with the best QB in history. The Commanders with Sam Howell at QB are now averaging more points and yards than us!
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11-20-2023, 11:25 PM	#221
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $2802906	I have no idea what Nagy’s specific role or responsibilities are. But if you have the title, “Offensive Coordinator” and your offense with Patrick Mahomes hasn’t scored a second half point (even a FG) in 28 days… you deserve to have your job security questioned.
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11-20-2023, 11:30 PM	#222
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $1899611	Dumb post. Playcalling was the best it's been since the Super Bowl. We ran it with Pacheco on 3rd and short multiple times, we didn't ignore the running game, WR's were schemed open continuously. FFS. MVS was schemed open for a big gain TWICE including that back breaking play and Watson was open downfield multiple times in the game but ran the wrong route and dropped the **ing ball that was a perfect pass. It's the ing players. Andy and Nagy are off the hook this time. You couldn't have coached a better ing game on offense. ing CATCH. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley**
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11-20-2023, 11:30 PM	#223
KC Hawks Veteran Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The West Side Casino cash: $1144310	Reid is the play caller. It's been the same since he got here. I do think we miss EB from a hard-ass perspective though. He was a good counter-balance to Andy and I don't think we've replaced that.
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