Chiefs Ted Ginn on the block - Page 16

**The Bad Guy** · 04-13-2010, 12:34 PM

I think he would fit extremely nicely as a slot receiver/KR/PR. I imagine the Tuna would require a 4th or maybe even 2 of our 5ths. Would you pull the trigger?

CupidStunt · 04-14-2010, 02:26 PM

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Only a man of your stature could make virtual rep points seem like currency or something to be heralded as an accomplishment in life.

Micjones · 04-14-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

He wasn't fourth on Arizonas depth chart

you continue to lie for these shitty players.

Tell me what 4 WR's were ahead of him...
Don't worry I'll wait.

You might wanna consult this depth chart before you shove your foot any further down your own throat.

Chasing me around the forum isn't helping your reputation sir.
You might wanna put "talking what you know" at the top of your list of priorities.
He was the #4 WR on a team that is infinitely better at WR...
WHY can't he be a #3 or a #4 here in Kansas City?

Until you can answer that question...you might wanna run along.

Hammock Parties · 04-14-2010, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So you're saying that they're worthless and have no value? No trade value, no player value, just flat out valueless?

JFC.

How successful would the Saints have been without Colston? Without Cassel, the Patriots don't get a 2nd round pick for him. Does this point need to be proven ad nauseam?

They have enough value that giving up one for a solid kick returner isn't taking much of a risk.

30 combined years of draft history proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. The odds of finding even a decent player in the 7th round are ASTRONOMICAL.

Hootie · 04-14-2010, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Both.

In Hootie's mind, the draft is irrelevant beyond round one.

When have I said that?

It's basically irrelevant past round 4...

Round 5 - Round 7 is a total crapshoot/lets take this guy because we think he might fit our system kind of thing...

Same thing you can do with undrafted free agents...

and to answer your question about Succop signing with us as an UDFA...

I'm willing to bet the chances would have been AT LEAST 50-60%...

But either way...he's a god damn kicker and any kicker that gets drafted SHOULD be a valuable player no matter if he gets drafted in the 5th or the last pick of the draft...

That was not a VALUE pick...as soon as he was drafted he had better win the kicker job...that was EXPECTED...punters and kickers are the only players that get picked in the 7th round that are expected to be starters or they are terrible picks.

And like I said...yeah, Cassel/Finnegan/Colston...great picks...yay. Welker/Romo/Cribbs/Miles Austin...

Etc. etc. etc.

THERE ARE ALWAYS ALL-PRO UNDRAFTED GUYS...but rarely every 5th-7th round picks...

that's because it's a HUGE crapshoot after round 4 and basically 200 guys all have similar grades...it's just a matter of who gets lucky and hears their name called...and who has to work a bit harder and make a team without having a draft pick label come next camp...

Titty Meat · 04-14-2010, 02:28 PM

MicJones is saying Ubran was behind Morey on the dept chart dumbass. Fitzgerald, Boldin, Breaston, Doucet. Hey Mic are these medicore players sucking you off or something? Whats with all the man love?

Hootie · 04-14-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What about Steve Breaston? He was a fifth round pick by Arizona and was quickly turned into a 1,000 yard receiver.

I'd take a player that plays 30-50 snaps a game over a player that's only involved in 7-10.

What is it that you don't get?

Miles Austin...

UDFA

For every Breaston, there is 20 busts...

Would you rather have Breaston or Austin?

Anyone could have had Austin...and I bet had Austin went to Michigan and Breaston went to wherever the hell Austin went...Austin might have been the 5th rounder and Breaston might have been the UDFA guy...

5th round is a crapshoot...

You'll find just as much 5th round talent in the UDFA pool as you do in the 5th round...

After the 4th round...teams just start taking "their" guys and hoping for the best...

The VALUE in the draft is the top 100 picks.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-14-2010, 02:30 PM

The entire draft is a crapshoot. There are busts in every round.

The difference is that the 3rd day picks (new format) don't kill you when you miss, but you can still get some damn solid talent in the later rounds.

I know it would have sucked to have drafted Brent Celek.

Hootie · 04-14-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Brandon Carr. 5th round pick.

and I think Brandon Carr is marginal talent, at best...

MAYBE he projects as a decent #3 CB...but I think this is a position the Chiefs definitely need to upgrade sooner rather than later.

Solid 5th round pick, I'll give him that.

Marginal talent though.

Bill Lundberg · 04-14-2010, 02:31 PM

FYP

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Miles Austin...

For every Breaston, there is 20 Ted Ginns...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-14-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

and I think Brandon Carr is marginal talent, at best...

MAYBE he projects as a decent #3 CB...but I think this is a position the Chiefs definitely need to upgrade sooner rather than later.

Solid 5th round pick, I'll give him that.

Marginal talent though.

Ginn has upside, and Carr has marginal talent.

Wow.

Hootie · 04-14-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I know it would have sucked to have drafted Brent Celek.

This is fun.

How about you point out all of the hits...and then I'll match it with 10 misses from that year and 3 UDFA's who had an equal, or close to equal match as your one hit.

Want to play?

**Bowser** · 04-14-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

When have I said that?

It's basically irrelevant past round 4...

Round 5 - Round 7 is a total crapshoot/lets take this guy because we think he might fit our system kind of thing...

Same thing you can do with undrafted free agents...

and to answer your question about Succop signing with us as an UDFA...

I'm willing to bet the chances would have been AT LEAST 50-60%...

But either way...he's a god damn kicker and any kicker that gets drafted SHOULD be a valuable player no matter if he gets drafted in the 5th or the last pick of the draft...

That was not a VALUE pick...as soon as he was drafted he had better win the kicker job...that was EXPECTED...punters and kickers are the only players that get picked in the 7th round that are expected to be starters or they are terrible picks.

And like I said...yeah, Cassel/Finnegan/Colston...great picks...yay. Welker/Romo/Cribbs/Miles Austin...

Etc. etc. etc.

THERE ARE ALWAYS ALL-PRO UNDRAFTED GUYS...but rarely every 5th-7th round picks...

that's because it's a HUGE crapshoot after round 4 and basically 200 guys all have similar grades...it's just a matter of who gets lucky and hears their name called...and who has to work a bit harder and make a team without having a draft pick label come next camp...

You can flip flop this argument, as well. There are guys that go high that bust out, but still get to get on the field because of the contract they had given to them. An owner doesn't want to shell out 10 mil+guaranteed on a guy just to see him ride pine, even if he is a useful as a turd in a punchbowl.

And just for the record, I'm with you in saying it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see us trade one of our fifths for Ginn, even if he would be used primarily as a returner. Problem is, who do you cut? Copper or Urban?

Hootie · 04-14-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Ginn has upside, and Carr has marginal talent.

Wow.

Yeah, that's right.

I'd take Ted Ginn over Brandon Carr every single day of the year.

Carr is an interchangeable piece to say the least...dude gets abused by every WR he faces...he's ok. He's decent. He's worth a roster spot. He works hard.

Marginal talent.

Ginn has more NFL upside than Brandon Carr...and it isn't even close.

Titty Meat · 04-14-2010, 02:33 PM

Brandon Carr does sucks I wish we would qit defending him and Brodie Croyle.

**Bowser** · 04-14-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

and I think Brandon Carr is marginal talent, at best...

MAYBE he projects as a decent #3 CB...but I think this is a position the Chiefs definitely need to upgrade sooner rather than later.

Solid 5th round pick, I'll give him that.

Marginal talent though.

OK, now you're just hurting yourself trying to defend your point. Brandon Carr has been a very good corner for us, especially paired with Flowers.

04-13-2010, 12:34 PM
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9313645	Ted Ginn on the block I think he would fit extremely nicely as a slot receiver/KR/PR. I imagine the Tuna would require a 4th or maybe even 2 of our 5ths. Would you pull the trigger?
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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4211115	The entire draft is a crapshoot. There are busts in every round. The difference is that the 3rd day picks (new format) don't kill you when you miss, but you can still get some damn solid talent in the later rounds. I know it would have sucked to have drafted Brent Celek.
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Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $1197558	Brandon Carr does sucks I wish we would qit defending him and Brodie Croyle.
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