Chiefs Get of Mark Castle's back! - Page 16

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 01:08 AM

First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right.

Here are the numbers. And before I get started... **** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us.

This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season.

Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers.

Completions
Cassel - 286
Ryan - 312
Flacco - 366
Brady - 373
McNabb - 285
Rivers - 277

Attempts
Cassel - 514
Ryan - 514
Flacco - 564
Brady - 601
McNabb - 493
Rivers - 460

Completion Percentage
Cassel - 55.6
Ryan - 60.9
Flacco - 64.9
Brady - 62.1
McNabb - 57.8
Rivers - 60.2

Yards
Cassel - 2871
Ryan - 3568
Flacco - 4088
Brady - 3764
McNabb - 3233
Rivers - 3152

TDs
Cassel - 23
Ryan - 26
Flacco - 24
Brady - 23
McNabb - 25
Rivers - 21

INTs
Cassel - 11
Ryan - 20
Flacco - 14
Brady - 14
McNabb - 12
Rivers - 15

Sacks
Cassel - 62
Ryan - 24
Flacco - 32
Brady - 31
McNabb - 39
Rivers - 22

What I get out of the stats.

While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this ****tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark.

People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed.

Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble.

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL.

Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively.

Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release.

Its not his fault his receivers can't get open.

Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays.

I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection.

I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about.

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'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-11-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Oh brother, this is getting ****ing old about Bowe. His drops are the norm among #1 WR's. They are about the same as Andre Johnson, who everybody would love to have. Bowe comes up with the play when we need him to, end of story.

I'm starting to think that this fanbase hates good QBs and WRs b/c we've never had any worth a damn, and we're used to pimping mediocre to scrub level players at those positions.

Pioli Zombie · 11-11-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm starting to think that this fanbase hates good QBs and WRs b/c we've never had any worth a damn, and we're used to pimping mediocre to scrub level players at those positions.

Who are these great qbs the fanbase hates?
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'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-11-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Who are these great qbs the fanbase hates?
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Brady and Manning, for ex.

**pr_capone** · 11-11-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Oh brother, this is getting ****ing old about Bowe. His drops are the norm among #1 WR's. They are about the same as Andre Johnson, who everybody would love to have. Bowe comes up with the play when we need him to, end of story.

Yup. That pass to Sean Ryan on Sunday where the ball bounced off his chest is a prefect example of Bowe dropping yet another pass. There was another pass to a RB (I don't recall which) that would have netted a 1st that was muffed as well. I want to say Wade had a dropped pass as well but can't be sure.

The entire team has suspect hands.

Chambers is probably our most consistent WR and he has been with us for all of a week.

Pioli Zombie · 11-11-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Brady and Manning, for ex.

Who here hates Brady or Manning?
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**pr_capone** · 11-11-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...-yard-TD-catch

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He also came nowhere near hitting Chambers in stride you ****ing dipshit.

God, just kill yourself.

The last 7 seconds with the goal cam view is the best.

HOLY SHIT HAMAS!!!!

HE HAD TO ****ING STOP TO MAKE THAT CATCH DIDNT HE?!?!?!?!?

****ing moron

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-11-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

HOLY SHIT HAMAS!!!!

HE HAD TO ****ING STOP TO MAKE THAT CATCH DIDNT HE?!?!?!?!?

****ing moron

Did you not see him slow his strides down so he wouldn't overrun that lollipop?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-11-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Who here hates Brady or Manning?
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...

Look through the archives, son.

Pioli Zombie · 11-11-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

...

Look through the archives, son.

Well if anyone hates the play of Manning or Brady they are effen idiots.
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**pr_capone** · 11-11-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Did you not see him slow his strides down so he wouldn't overrun that lollipop?

I saw a receiver tracking a ball, not one having to make some ridiculous adjustment that allowed the defender to catch up to the play.

Yeah, he slowed his stride... never broke stride.

Your argument was that he came nowhere near to hitting Chambers in stride... not that he had to make a small adjustment.

Heaven forbid that Cassel is not completely in sync with a guy that had been on the team for 4 ****ing days.

If you are going to argue a point, pick one where you don't have to embellish to prove it.

Chiefnj2 · 11-11-2009, 02:18 PM

He actually sped up when he first looked back at the ball. All of the claims that he had to come to a virtual stop are plain BS. Some people didn't want Cassel and will never give him credit no matter what the circumstance.

**BossChief** · 11-11-2009, 02:32 PM

some credit should go to Haley for the play call as well. The corner on the play bit on the out and the route was an out n up. Good play call to counter the opposing team jumping short routes all day.

I am not a big Haley fan at this point, but credit is due

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-11-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

You can't mentor shit. Yeah, I'm sure CP would have embraced Jeff Garcia. I seem to remember at the time nothing but non stop ridicule of Jeff Garcia. And then I'm sure Chiefs fans would have enjoyed after watching Garcia for a year or two having Baby Jesus Sanchez come in and throw his 5 Interceptions and 112 yards. And I'm sure nobody would have been critical because "He's only 22!!!". Chiefs fans are patient like that.
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Congratulations SAUTO; this by far and away your dumbest response to a post yet.

But by all means, keep working those super-awesome, kick-ass "original thoughts" of yours!
They're football gold. GOLD I SAY!

**SAUTO** · 11-11-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

He actually sped up when he first looked back at the ball. All of the claims that he had to come to a virtual stop are plain BS. Some people didn't want Cassel and will never give him credit no matter what the circumstance.

thats what i have said all along. IMO he didnt think the ball was coming his way and slowed his route. then when he ctually looked back he was like "oh shit!!!" and started running again to catch up to the ball.

**SAUTO** · 11-11-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Congratulations SAUTO; this by far and away your dumbest response to a post yet.

But by all means, keep working those super-awesome, kick-ass "original thoughts" of yours!
They're football gold. GOLD I SAY!

can you even ****ing READ who you are ****ing quoting?

11-10-2009, 01:08 AM
pr_capone THREEPEAT!!! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NWMO Casino cash: $9948214	Get of Mark Castle's back! First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right. Here are the numbers. And before I get started... ** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us. This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season. Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers. Completions Cassel - 286 Ryan - 312 Flacco - 366 Brady - 373 McNabb - 285 Rivers - 277 Attempts Cassel - 514 Ryan - 514 Flacco - 564 Brady - 601 McNabb - 493 Rivers - 460 Completion Percentage Cassel - 55.6 Ryan - 60.9 Flacco - 64.9 Brady - 62.1 McNabb - 57.8 Rivers - 60.2 Yards Cassel - 2871 Ryan - 3568 Flacco - 4088 Brady - 3764 McNabb - 3233 Rivers - 3152 TDs Cassel - 23 Ryan - 26 Flacco - 24 Brady - 23 McNabb - 25 Rivers - 21 INTs Cassel - 11 Ryan - 20 Flacco - 14 Brady - 14 McNabb - 12 Rivers - 15 Sacks Cassel - 62 Ryan - 24 Flacco - 32 Brady - 31 McNabb - 39 Rivers - 22 What I get out of the stats. While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this **tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark. People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed. Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble. I don't know what more you want from the guy. It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL. Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively. Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release. Its not his fault his receivers can't get open. Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays. I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection. I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about. [/rant]
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6664388	He actually sped up when he first looked back at the ball. All of the claims that he had to come to a virtual stop are plain BS. Some people didn't want Cassel and will never give him credit no matter what the circumstance. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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11-11-2009, 02:32 PM	#237
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1665912	some credit should go to Haley for the play call as well. The corner on the play bit on the out and the route was an out n up. Good play call to counter the opposing team jumping short routes all day. I am not a big Haley fan at this point, but credit is due __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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