Chiefs *****The Mitch Morse Thread***** - Page 16

Dante84 · 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by thabear04

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jd1020 · 05-02-2015, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

Yes. I'm sure you know it all. I'm sure you've spoken too the Chiefs directly and have met all the guys on their board. And players on other team's boards after the Chiefs. You knew EXACTLY where he SHOULD have been picked.

****ing Armchair GMs...

No teams ever reach, ever!

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-02-2015, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

No teams ever reach, ever!

No reach has ever ended up being a good player. Ever.

jd1020 · 05-02-2015, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

No reach has ever ended up being a good player. Ever.

Never said he wouldn't be good, dipshit.

**notorious** · 05-02-2015, 07:52 AM

Center is the QB of the OLine.

Morse can play every position so he understands where everyone should be and should have the tools and knowledge to run the OLine.

Not an exciting pick, but could be a very nice player.

**buddha** · 05-02-2015, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Your and idiot

That kU education is paying off nicely, I see. Oh...where is Bremner when you need him?

Mitch played out of position last year at LOT. He has the feet and size to play that position, but it's not his best spot on the line. Dude is very smart, plays through the whistle and has leadership stitched into every part of his brain. The other offensive linemen at Missouri loved Mitch...great teammate. When he played ROT or one of the guard positions, Mitch dominated. He's a very strong, technically strong lineman.

The comparisons with Jeff Allen don't make any sense to me.

I wasn't an immediate fan of the selection, but it now makes sense to me. I do think Mitch would have been there in the third, but maybe the Chiefs know a bit more about it than I do.

I do know this...nobody will ever be sorry to have a Mitch Morse on their offensive line.

**notorious** · 05-02-2015, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Your and idiot

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Originally Posted by buddha

That kU education is paying off nicely, I see.

DJ's left nut · 05-02-2015, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Why will he suck?

MU fans, inform me on this.

He won't. SNR was just a little emotional due to the shock of the pick, I suspect.

Morse is a guy that everyone should want to root for. He's as self-made as they come. He wasn't a highly regarded recruit and was something of an afterthought for Mizzou fans (we were pretty positive Nick Demien was going to be a star out of that class). But the bottom line was that he just flat outworked guys like Demien and Gatti. He's part of a lunchpail O-line that's outperformed expectations for as long as he's been a starter.

As far as his skills, he reminds me a ton of Britt in that I never thought he had the athleticism/length to succeed at tackle in the SEC. However, the guy played extremely smart and was able to get buy on guile. Somebody here has a line in their sig from, I think, Will Shields that says something to the effect of 'if you can't whup 'em, you have to become a technician' and that's essentially what Morse did. He turned himself into an extremely sound lineman that was able to get the job done at the highest level in college despite being a little athletically limited for the position.

Now, that's not the case on the interior. In fact, in terms of pure athleticism he's actually a well above average interior lineman.

In the end, I think once the shock of him going in the 2nd round wore off, I came around on him a bit. Honestly I still think he's a 3rd rounder but evidently there were multiple teams that liked him in the 2nd. I don't know that he's a guy that can easily carry the weight he needs to excel on the interior so he'll probably have to work his ass off to keep his weight up. The good news is that he lived in the weight room so maybe he'll pull it off.

Here's what I think Dorsey sees - his next Jason Kelce. Kelce was another self-made guy who just flat worked his way to the top. He's a plus athlete that fights for his weight. I think Morse has a lot of the same traits in terms of attitude and desire that Reid saw in Kelce.

This isn't an awful pick. It's not the pick I'd have made but I think it will yield us a pretty good player. I don't think there's a ton of upside there but I do think he'll make an above average starter at C or G at this level. With our struggles on the interior line last year, that's not a bad use of a 2nd. Ultimately I think we're more upset by this pick because of what the draft guides say should have gone here than we are by the pick itself.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-02-2015, 08:04 AM

Anyone who cries about a pick being a reach should be forced to watch an endless loop of Sharktopus.

DJ's left nut · 05-02-2015, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Morse IS Jeff Allen. We're replacing Jeff Allen with Jeff Allen.

It's stupid.

Nah.

Jeff Allen is a pussy and has heavy legs, that's why he's struggled so badly.

Morse is a very hard-nosed and aggressive blocker with very quick feet and plus athleticism.

He's Jeff Allen if you take away the two things that make Jeff Allen bad.

He's a round early and in a marginal position, but don't overplay your hand. The guy will be a pretty good player.

milkman · 05-02-2015, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He won't. SNR was just a little emotional due to the shock of the pick, I suspect.

Morse is a guy that everyone should want to root for. He's as self-made as they come. He wasn't a highly regarded recruit and was something of an afterthought for Mizzou fans (we were pretty positive Nick Demien was going to be a star out of that class). But the bottom line was that he just flat outworked guys like Demien and Gatti. He's part of a lunchpail O-line that's outperformed expectations for as long as he's been a starter.

As far as his skills, he reminds me a ton of Britt in that I never thought he had the athleticism/length to succeed at tackle in the SEC. However, the guy played extremely smart and was able to get buy on guile. Somebody here has a line in their sig from, I think, Will Shields that says something to the effect of 'if you can't whup 'em, you have to become a technician' and that's essentially what Morse did. He turned himself into an extremely sound lineman that was able to get the job done at the highest level in college despite being a little athletically limited for the position.

Now, that's not the case on the interior. In fact, in terms of pure athleticism he's actually a well above average interior lineman.

In the end, I think once the shock of him going in the 2nd round wore off, I came around on him a bit. Honestly I still think he's a 3rd rounder but evidently there were multiple teams that liked him in the 2nd. I don't know that he's a guy that can easily carry the weight he needs to excel on the interior so he'll probably have to work his ass off to keep his weight up. The good news is that he lived in the weight room so maybe he'll pull it off.

Here's what I think Dorsey sees - his next Jason Kelce. Kelce was another self-made guy who just flat worked his way to the top. He's a plus athlete that fights for his weight. I think Morse has a lot of the same traits in terms of attitude and desire that Reid saw in Kelce.

This isn't an awful pick. It's not the pick I'd have made but I think it will yield us a pretty good player. I don't think there's a ton of upside there but I do think he'll make an above average starter at C or G at this level. With our struggles on the interior line last year, that's not a bad use of a 2nd. Ultimately I think we're more upset by this pick because of what the draft guides say should have gone here than we are by the pick itself.

Not the guy I would have picked, and certainly not where he was picked, but I have been banging the drum all offseason that we needed to address the O-Line with at least one of our top 4 picks, so I am not going to complain that they did just exactly that.

DJ's left nut · 05-02-2015, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

wow guys !??!??!

a late 2nd round pick may not end up being an all-pro!??!

omg

...it's like

every other 2nd round pick which is a 30% hit at best

!

you guys are hilarious

And maybe that's the problem.

As fans, we're all pretty conditioned to teams taking high risk/high reward guys in the 2nd round. It's generally the theme of the round; guys with skills to be 1st rounders but red flags that push them down a round.

The Chiefs simply didn't go that route. They didn't go high risk/high reward. They took a guy that will almost certainly play in the league for several years. I don't imagine he'll be among the elite, but he could easily be a Casey Wiegmann type that plays a little undersized for a decade and gets by through intelligence and athleticism. And again, Morse isn't exactly weak either; he's a big man he's just not a mauler. He's much larger/stronger than Weigmann was.

It's not the pick I'd have made, but there were good reasons to make it. I do think Grasu is probably a better interior lineman to have taken there but this suggests that perhaps Reid's looking more zone. Morse probably is the best zone blocking C available in this draft due to his feet/athleticism.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-02-2015, 08:18 AM

Well when you have people saying a second has to be an all pro to be a good pick it does give others false realities....unless you actually look at the success rate of the round.

Reerun_KC · 05-02-2015, 08:35 AM

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**RealSNR** · 05-02-2015, 08:44 AM

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SNR, I like you man, but this is hyperbole. Hate to say it, but we need competition at C. Whoever wins, wins. If Kush goes in to camp with no competition what-so-ever, does he come out for the season being the best he could possibly be?

You can debate the round he took him in, but what I see is a supposedly versatile OL, who could fill gaps across the board, should he not win then we have someone who can supposedly play as anyone's back up. Versatility is valuable in the NFL.

just my $.02

Versatility is good. It's NOT good when you're looking for a starter. It's why I hated the Cameron Erving pick so much in mock drafts.

And yes, Morse is a 2nd round pick. The Chiefs are looking for a starter.

DJ's left nut · 05-02-2015, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Versatility is good. It's NOT good when you're looking for a starter. It's why I hated the Cameron Erving pick so much in mock drafts.

And yes, Morse is a 2nd round pick. The Chiefs are looking for a starter.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of Dorsey's rationale for the pick.

You don't use a 2nd rounder on a guy because he's versatile.

I still say they took him because Reid thinks he's going to be the next Jason Kelce.

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Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $3448880	Well when you have people saying a second has to be an all pro to be a good pick it does give others false realities....unless you actually look at the success rate of the round. __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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