Football The 49ers have expressed to others that a deal for QB Alex Smith is effectively DONE - Page 160

ShowtimeSBMVP · 02-24-2013, 04:56 PM

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora

The 49ers have expressed to others that a deal for QB Alex Smith is effectively complete. Can't be finalized til league year begins 3/12

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora

so it's not official, both clubs view it at as it's effectively done. I do not know the other team. KC and JAX are 2 teams that make sense

penbrook · 02-26-2013, 06:24 PM

John Dorsey said if we get a qb in free agency 99% we will draft one just might not be in the first round.

Report came from USA Today.

ToxSocks · 02-26-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

On Alex Smith: Cardinals will express interest in a possible trade with #49ers. They are VERY pessimistic Niners will trade within division.

Don't be pessimistic AZ, that's no way to approach life.

duncan_idaho · 02-26-2013, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Marvin49

Why? Joeckel and Fisher will both be gone EARLY. The $$$ that used to be associated with that pick are nowhere near the problem they used to be....and that's why the Niners weren't able to trade the pick when THEY had it.

Some things to consider re: trade down:

1) The only teams that can afford to trade into No. 1 overall are the other teams in the top 10. Value just can't match up otherwise.

2) Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher have nearly identical grades, and there is not a consensus about which is the top guy.

3) Lane Johnson made a lot of money at the Combine and is now viewed as someone who is potentially a top 10 talent. He also is the best athlete of the three and probably has the highest ultimate upside The gap between he and the top 2 guys is not tremendous.

4) If someone DID want to trade up, they could trade into No. 4 for a much lower cost than No. 1 and STILL likely get either Joeckel or Fisher, and certainly get Johnson. Or they could sit pat at their pick and nab Johnson, with a shot at landing Fisher.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 02-26-2013, 06:25 PM

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Speaking of Alex Smith... The Browns are said to have some interest. No surprise. Cards believe Chiefs are closing in on a trade

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-26-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Don't be pessimistic AZ, that's no way to approach life.

lmao...THIS. Try HARDER, you desert-rat whores!
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**lewdog** · 02-26-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This is the crux of the argument. If not Geno, who and why?

Was it you who posted Alex Smith's career stats vs Matt Cassel's???

Can you post that again if it was you....I can't find it.

**Dave Lane** · 02-26-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

If the goal is winning a SB, Alex Smith isn't the way to go. End.

duncan_idaho · 02-26-2013, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marvin49

1) I already said 1 was too high for a guard....tho if you could tell me you were getting Mike Iupati (knowing what I know now) at that spot I'd take it. The is that you can never know that and if a guy fails at tackle you can try him at guard. If he fails at guard....nowhere really to move him.

2) You're asking the wrong person. I really, really like Floyd. I've looked into that position alot because I want the 49ers to draft Justin Smiths eventual replacement. I REALLY, REALLY like that guy.

3) You could be right about LT. Dunno. Sounds like the Cheifs might be trapped...and that's exactly where the Niners were when they took Alex...and that was the WRONG CHOICE. I like Alex, but he should NEVER have been the 1st overall pick.

Ultimately, it comes down to this:

People say you can't take Geno Smith No. 1 because you're not getting the value out of the pick that you need. But there ISN'T value anywhere else.

If you're reaching for a guard, or drafting a LT you really don't need, you're not getting value out of the pick. Letting Albert walk and drafting Luke Joeckel is equivalent to trading No. 1 overall AND Albert for Joeckel.

I can't believe you like Iuputai that much. Will Shields is the best LG in the past quarter century of the NFL, and he's going to be a Hall of Fame guy. I wouldn't even think about drafting him No. 1 overall, even in hindsight.

Marvin49 · 02-26-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie

goddamnit; someone douse "Messy Marvin" in hershey's syrup, AIDS, and anti-freeze, then light his little ass up!
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How do you douse someone in a syndrome? can you light up someone with Anti-freeze?

Hrmmm....interesting.

Chiefs Pantalones · 02-26-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Speaking of Alex Smith... The Browns are said to have some interest. No surprise. Cards believe Chiefs are closing in on a trade

Trading for a game manager back up won't be a good start for Reid/Dorsey and baby Jack.

Setsuna · 02-26-2013, 06:34 PM

Guys.....I think you might be getting the harbinger of equal suck in Alex Smith. That Flowers tweet worries me.

What if SF was looking for a 3rd and Chiefs said "**** you." Now what if Chiefs counter offered Flowers and a 4th/5th? If so, here is what I think your draft will be. Trade down to 5-7 and get an additional 2nd round pick. You get Millner at 5-7. You draft Eric Reid at 34 and Tyler Bray with the additional 2nd. You get Bostic with one of your thirds and get Barrett Jones with the other 3rd. Then you get Knile Davis in the 4th. And then camp fodder after that.

Obviously this is a stupid scenario but it could happen.

Marvin49 · 02-26-2013, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Ultimately, it comes down to this:

People say you can't take Geno Smith No. 1 because you're not getting the value out of the pick that you need. But there ISN'T value anywhere else.

If you're reaching for a guard, or drafting a LT you really don't need, you're not getting value out of the pick. Letting Albert walk and drafting Luke Joeckel is equivalent to trading No. 1 overall AND Albert for Joeckel.

I can't believe you like Iuputai that much. Will Shields is the best LG in the past quarter century of the NFL, and he's going to be a Hall of Fame guy. I wouldn't even think about drafting him No. 1 overall, even in hindsight.

I like Iupati that much...and have HUGE respect for Shields.

We are kinda going in circles. I'll say this...if KC likes G. Smith as much as you guys seem to, there is no doubt he'll be the #1 pick. I just don't like him that much...and I've seen that #1 pick flame out and it really, really sucks...especially when another QB you really liked turns out to be even better than you thought he would.

Can the Chiefs resign Albert? Do you lose Bowe in the process?

Marvin49 · 02-26-2013, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandusksuna

Guys.....I think you might be getting the harbinger of equal suck in Alex Smith. That Flowers tweet worries me.

What if SF was looking for a 3rd and Chiefs said "**** you." Now what if Chiefs counter offered Flowers and a 4th/5th? If so, here is what I think your draft will be. Trade down to 5-7 and get an additional 2nd round pick. You get Millner at 5-7. You draft Eric Reid at 34 and Tyler Bray with the additional 2nd. You get Bostic with one of your thirds and get Barrett Jones with the other 3rd. Then you get Knile Davis in the 4th. And then camp fodder after that.

Obviously this is a stupid scenario but it could happen.

What did Flowers tweet?

Molitoth · 02-26-2013, 06:35 PM

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3) You could be right about LT. Dunno. Sounds like the Cheifs might be trapped...and that's exactly where the Niners were when they took Alex...and that was the WRONG CHOICE. I like Alex, but he should NEVER have been the 1st overall pick.

Uhhh it WAS the right move for the 49er's. They took a chance, and it didn't pan out, and now they took a chance again and it is panning out so far.

The problem with the chiefs is THEY DON'T EVER TAKE A CHANCE.

duncan_idaho · 02-26-2013, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandusksuna

Guys.....I think you might be getting the harbinger of equal suck in Alex Smith. That Flowers tweet worries me.

What if SF was looking for a 3rd and Chiefs said "**** you." Now what if Chiefs counter offered Flowers and a 4th/5th? If so, here is what I think your draft will be. Trade down to 5-7 and get an additional 2nd round pick. You get Millner at 5-7. You draft Eric Reid at 34 and Tyler Bray with the additional 2nd. You get Bostic with one of your thirds and get Barrett Jones with the other 3rd. Then you get Knile Davis in the 4th. And then camp fodder after that.

Obviously this is a stupid scenario but it could happen.

I will be changing NFL allegiances if that is what happens.

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