Football Pats Cheating Comfirmed - Page 163

PizzaDoughz · 01-20-2015, 10:38 PM

According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds per square inch each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/2...bill-belichick

Discuss.

Just Passin' By · 01-30-2015, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Even if one agrees with Joe on it being a stupid rule, that doesn't mean it's ok to break it.

Sorry, but Hootie sides with Joe.

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It’s a stupid thing to even be talking about because they shouldn’t have the rule anyway.

You'll have to take it up with him. It's time to close the thread.

BucEyedPea · 01-30-2015, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant

I don't know, man. I'm starting to lean towards the Buc fan claiming to be a Pats fan and the grown ass man who got pissed because someone changed his name on a message board. They post a lot of links.

I came here in April 2006 before you and from the start said I supported two teams. One from where I came, near Foxboro and also Boston, and one where I am now. I've used a Patriots avatar for a year from when Kraft's wife died. I actually have a third team for college football, though I never followed college football before. It's the Seminoles. I have it good with Minutemen, Pirates and Indians. Love those three themes. I can't always get a Patriots game here.

And, when I had to travel for a bit for work back around 2003 and I couldn't get a Pat's or Buc's game, I actually enjoyed watching the Chiefs. Ya' know when you had Trent Green.

**AustinChief** · 01-30-2015, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

I came here in April 2006 before you and from the start said I supported two teams. One from where I came, near Foxboro and also Boston, and one where I am now. I actually have a third team for college football, though I never followed college football before. It's the Seminoles. I have it good with Minutemen, Pirates and Indians. Love those three themes.

And, when I had to travel for a bit for work back around 2003 and I couldn't get a Pat's or Buc's game, I actually enjoyed watching the Chiefs. Ya' know when you had Trent Green.

I rarely(almost never) defend Buc but this is truth. She has always been consistent. (Consistently nutty, but consistent

)

BucEyedPea · 01-30-2015, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Katipan

Im posting this here for my girl BEP.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/11/how-...ceiving-gloves

WORSE THAN DEFLATED BALLS.

Hmmmm. And Nike makes them that way too.

BucEyedPea · 01-30-2015, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

I rarely(almost never) defend Buc but this is truth. She has always been consistent. (Consistently nutty, but consistent

)

And consistently inconsistent, which makes me consistent.

BucEyedPea · 01-30-2015, 04:39 PM

Also, my screen name is because I also love the BlackEyedPeas. Buc sounds better with it.

BucEyedPea · 01-30-2015, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Sorry, but Hootie sides with Joe.

You'll have to take it up with him. It's time to close the thread.

Well, if Brady likes the ball at 12.5, which he admits, then it would still be within the rules.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-30-2015, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Once again, you get things wrong.

Wrong about what? What a homer ****ing clown you are. Just own that your team has cheated for nearly a decade. The numbers don't lie.

BucEyedPea · 01-30-2015, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Wrong about what? What a homer ****ing clown you are. Just own that your team has cheated for nearly a decade. The numbers don't lie.

Prove it.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-30-2015, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Prove it.

The fumble numbers say it all as does getting busted in the AFCCG. NO WAY they have that fumble rate with legit balls...and before you whine every team preaches and practices ball security.

**Baby Lee** · 01-30-2015, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

If you can't use words properly, how are you to be taken seriously in an argument?

Sometimes, . . . SOMETIMES, . . . sometimes a sentence comes along . . .

BucEyedPea · 01-30-2015, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

The fumble numbers say it all as does getting busted in the AFCCG. NO WAY they have that fumble rate with legit balls...and before you whine every team preaches and practices ball security.

I read the fumble numbers article by Warren Sharp which frankly doesn't say it all. If your read the comments below his study, fault is found with his inputs and other points. There's also links to three other sites of other stat analysis debunking Sharp's inputs as garbage in equals garbage out. Figures lie and liars figure. He is claiming correlation for causation when that's not the case when other factors can explain the situation just as well but which he ignores. I went through all of them tonight.

Why Those Numbers About Patriots' Fumbles are Mostly Junk
http://regressing.deadspin.com/why-t...mos-1681805710

Fumbling the Data: The Truth About the Patriots Fumble Rate
http://soshcentral.com/football-scie...s-fumble-rate/

Advance Football Analytics
http://www.advancedfootballanalytics...-ball-security

How 'bout focusing on Seahawk players taking performance enhancing drug scandals since 2011? They have their own issues. What about that kind of cheating? Strangely, there's silence because they're not the Patriots. It's okay to hate, it's not okay to ignore other facts.

**Baby Lee** · 01-30-2015, 11:44 PM

Warren Sharp is a Neocon!!

Just Passin' By · 01-30-2015, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Wrong about what? What a homer ****ing clown you are. Just own that your team has cheated for nearly a decade. The numbers don't lie.

For starters, even using sharp's own data and charts, the Patriots first spiked in 2005, not 2007.

If you want to see a clown, take a look in the mirror. One will be staring back at you.

BucEyedPea · 01-30-2015, 11:55 PM

I forgot this one.

Your Guide To Deflate-gate/Ballghazi-Related Statistical Analyses

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/y...ical-analyses/

The gist of the posts, written by a tout named Warren Sharp, is that the Patriots are a phenomenal statistical outlier when it comes to hanging onto the ball....

The data science community responded with a number of rebuttals (I put together a roundup of my favorite ones below). Collectively, these posts did a great job of breaking down the Statistics 101 problems with Sharp’s original analyses. But even if Sharp had been less sloppy, it would have been right to take issue with the larger implication of his work — that any major outlier, if shown to be statistically significant, should be seen as evidence of rule-breaking....

The harshest counterargument belonged to data scientist Drew Fustin. Fustin challenged Sharp’s choice to exclude dome teams (Sharp’s own post says outdoor teams barely fumble more often than those based in domes), instead looking at fumble rates across all teams in outdoor games only — whereupon the Patriots don’t even rank first in the NFL at fumble avoidance over the 2010-2014 period. He also questions whether Sharp’s decision to use that 2010-14 period was a case of cherry-picking the timeframe that would make the Patriots look most like an extreme outlier.

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BucEyedPea Yum! Buc Marshmellows! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: None of your business Casino cash: $2069963	I forgot this one. Your Guide To Deflate-gate/Ballghazi-Related Statistical Analyses http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/y...ical-analyses/ The gist of the posts, written by a tout named Warren Sharp, is that the Patriots are a phenomenal statistical outlier when it comes to hanging onto the ball.... The data science community responded with a number of rebuttals (I put together a roundup of my favorite ones below). Collectively, these posts did a great job of breaking down the Statistics 101 problems with Sharp’s original analyses. But even if Sharp had been less sloppy, it would have been right to take issue with the larger implication of his work — that any major outlier, if shown to be statistically significant, should be seen as evidence of rule-breaking.... The harshest counterargument belonged to data scientist Drew Fustin. Fustin challenged Sharp’s choice to exclude dome teams (Sharp’s own post says outdoor teams barely fumble more often than those based in domes), instead looking at fumble rates across all teams in outdoor games only — whereupon the Patriots don’t even rank first in the NFL at fumble avoidance over the 2010-2014 period. He also questions whether Sharp’s decision to use that 2010-14 period was a case of cherry-picking the timeframe that would make the Patriots look most like an extreme outlier.
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