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Old 06-19-2014, 05:47 PM  
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2014-2015 NBA off-season Lebron goes home thread.
I will update this when the schedule is announced in a couple of weeks, but I will open with the new uniforms for the Charlotte Hornets below.

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Old 07-22-2014, 10:35 AM   #2476
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If the Cavs acquire Love, Lebron doesn't have to ****ing play 40+ minutes a night, chiefzilla

You're making assumptions and pretending it's a given fact when neither you nor anybody else have a clue what's going to happen.

I could just as easily say, "Bennett and Waiters are busts; Wiggins probably isn't going to be good enough to be the next Lebron, so now the Cavs have a big two and garbage instead of a big three. In the big 2 scenario, Lebron is forced to play 40+ minutes per night, while in the other scenario, he has two other guys to handle the scoring while he can rest on the bench and plays under 40 minutes per night."

And guess what? It would be just as ****ing valid.
And you completely disregarded my comment that the cavs without love will have a 10 mill trade exception, 14 m in cap savings, and three first round picks to build beyond Wiggins, Bennett, and Waiters. If all three of those guys are terrible can still land a marquee veteran and they'd have tremendous trade chips to do it.

If the cavs land a marquee veteran for cheaper and keep Wiggins and Bennett? I mean, seriously, who in the right mind would turn that down?
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:35 AM   #2477
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Who is going to guard the best player if you hook LeBron? Kylie, Waiters, and love are horrendous at defense.
And for the 83rd ****ing time around this circle, GO GET SOMEBODY TO DO THAT.

It's not that ****ing hard.
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:41 AM   #2478
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And for the 83rd ****ing time around this circle, GO GET SOMEBODY TO DO THAT.

It's not that ****ing hard.
With WHAT? They will have negative cap space and will have to make big cuts and barely hold on to who they have. They will have traded two first round picks away.
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:41 AM   #2479
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Never go full zilla. For ****'s sake man LeBron doesn't HAVE to play 40 plus without the beaker. Dumb.
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:46 AM   #2480
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Never go full zilla. For ****'s sake man LeBron doesn't HAVE to play 40 plus without the beaker. Dumb.
The best perimeter offensive player of every team just got a massive boner about the idea of playing the cavs miserable three on defense for more than ten minutes a game.
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:52 AM   #2481
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You are making a asinine ridiculous statements....reminds me of your Haley crap
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:54 AM   #2482
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With WHAT? They will have negative cap space and will have to make big cuts and barely hold on to who they have. They will have traded two first round picks away.
I've given you two possibilities in proposed trades. They're not what will happen, but they are solutions to your problem nonetheless.
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:57 AM   #2483
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I've given you two possibilities in proposed trades. They're not what will happen, but they are solutions to your problem nonetheless.
Ever one know in the NBA it's best to have a bunch of jobbers over star power!
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Old 07-22-2014, 11:04 AM   #2484
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I've given you two possibilities in proposed trades. They're not what will happen, but they are solutions to your problem nonetheless.
From what I recall, you recommended five+ million contract guys.

The big three will command 60mil or more. Waiters will command five. Thompson or Varejao will command about 8. Your starting lineup alone is going to be way above the cap. Where is this money going to come from? Add another contract and you're at 78 mil. And that's assuming you don't keep any bench beyond a 6th man.

The original big 3 took 10 mil in payouts to afford help. The cavs are going to pay three guys max contracts. It's feasible. But it's going to be much harder than you give it credit for.
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Ever one know in the NBA it's best to have a bunch of jobbers over star power!
Jobbers?

My recommendation was to keep Wiggins and Bennett and use the cap savings for a marquee veteran. I gave several examples of players who could be had without giving those guys up. Of course I don't think love for those guys is even close to a fair trade.
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From what I recall, you recommended five+ million contract guys.

The big three will command 60mil or more. Waiters will command five. Thompson or Varejao will command about 8. Your starting lineup alone is going to be way above the cap. Where is this money going to come from? Add another contract and you're at 78 mil. And that's assuming you don't keep any bench beyond a 6th man.

The original big 3 took 10 mil in payouts to afford help. The cavs are going to pay three guys max contracts. It's feasible. But it's going to be much harder than you give it credit for.
Wiggins is already a 5+/year player. Bennett is close to that. Trade them both, ask for cash in return plus one of the players I suggested, and you're good to go.

Like you said, you're giving up the two most recent #1 overall picks plus two more 1st rounders for one player who will command a huge salary. You can ask for some give back from the Wolves. That's how negotiations work.
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Wiggins is already a 5+/year player. Bennett is close to that. Trade them both, ask for cash in return plus one of the players I suggested, and you're good to go.

Like you said, you're giving up the two most recent #1 overall picks plus two more 1st rounders for one player who will command a huge salary. You can ask for some give back from the Wolves. That's how negotiations work.
How is that give back going to affect the cavs' 2015-2016 cap number?
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You don't need three All-Stars to win. Two it just fine, LeBron has almost won by himself multiple times. Waiters and Wiggins both have All-Star potential. They are setting just fine without trading a bunch of assets crippling the future.

If we didn't have Irving I could more than see your point, but LeBron isn't alone in Cleveland anymore. This roster is 10x more talented than the one LeBron left that had the best record in the NBA and made the Championship. Should be better coached, oh and even LeBron has gotten better since then.
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You don't need three All-Stars to win. Two it just fine, LeBron has almost won by himself multiple times. Waiters and Wiggins both have All-Star potential. They are setting just fine without trading a bunch of assets crippling the future.

If we didn't have Irving I could more than see your point, but LeBron isn't alone in Cleveland anymore. This roster is 10x more talented than the one LeBron left that had the best record in the NBA and made the Championship. Should be better coached, oh and even LeBron has gotten better since then.
I disagree on Waiters potential. Wiggins has huge upside but he is an unknown. Same with Bennett. But you are right that even without those guys, the cavs are a much better team that LeBron first time in Cleveland.

More importantly, this isn't about Wiggins and Bennett for love straight up. Cavs would have cap flexibility to make big another big free agent move in addition to keeping Wiggins and Bennett.
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You don't need three All-Stars to win. Two it just fine, LeBron has almost won by himself multiple times. Waiters and Wiggins both have All-Star potential. They are setting just fine without trading a bunch of assets crippling the future.

If we didn't have Irving I could more than see your point, but LeBron isn't alone in Cleveland anymore. This roster is 10x more talented than the one LeBron left that had the best record in the NBA and made the Championship. Should be better coached, oh and even LeBron has gotten better since then.
Even if everything goes as you say it will, they will still lose to the Spurs in the Finals.
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