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Old 07-14-2015, 07:36 PM  
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***Official 2015 STL Cardinals Thread II***
2011 World Series Championship
2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance
2015 Clinched Central Division title and Home Field advantage in the playoffs. First team in MLB to win 100 games since 2011.

  • Made the postseason 11 times in the last 15 seasons.
  • Only 1 losing season since 2000.
  • Reached the World Series 4 times since 2004 and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
  • Made the NLCS 9 times including the last 4 years 2011-2014
  • Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
  • 65 post season wins since 2004. 22+ wins more than any other team.
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Old 07-23-2015, 02:49 PM   #241
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Old 07-23-2015, 02:53 PM   #242
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Exactly the same?

Cardinals fans didn't join a bandwagon - the support for the team has been exceptional throughout it's history. Backing a player who won a championship for a team you already supported is a far cry from showing up after 2 decades of ambivalence and crowing about a team you gave zero ****s about mere months ago.
I know the Cardinals have a long history and many fans no denying that, but they have plenty of bandwagon fans just as well. Trust me there is a plenty of them. Especially when World Series time pops up. Royals saw that bump last season for same reasons you are in the ****ing World Series. Its just more dramatic rise from where they were.
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Old 07-23-2015, 02:54 PM   #243
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Old 07-23-2015, 03:06 PM   #244
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The last time the Cards were outside of the top 8 in their league in attendance was in '97.

1897.

When the brewery was trading HoF players like Steve Carlton in the '70s over a few thousand dollars, Cardinals fans were still backing their team. It's just so disingenuous to try to claim that this was just because they win.

Sure, the Cards haven't always drawn 40K/gm but even at their worst they were still in the top half of baseball's attendance. It's a generational thing and yes, it is absolutely a cultural thing. The city of St. Louis identifies itself in large part by its baseball team - Kansas City does not. There's also just silly stuff like the fact that the Cards had the best reach by radio of any team in the nation when KMOX was pumping at its highest in the 50s.

Win, lose or otherwise, the Cardinals fans have always been there. That said - that doesn't make them inherently more noble. It does mean, however, that they're significantly less inclined to take shit from some idiot screaming MOOOOOOSE in their ear who didn't know what a double play was 24 months ago.
Even at our worse in the late 70's when we getting out asses kicked regularly we were still MLB middle of the pack in attendance.Sure there are bandwagon fans, just like any other team.

I remember watching the Cardinals in the 1964 World Series. Before the Royals even existed. My son is a 5th generation Cardinal fan. This fandom runs deep in my family and I think most Cardinal fans. Doesn't make us the BFIB or "better" fans than the Royals fans. The posters I know on here have been hard core Royals fans for a long time. They as fans have earned the right to see playoff baseball and see their team win a WS.
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Old 07-23-2015, 03:13 PM   #245
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Old 07-23-2015, 03:31 PM   #246
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It's not our fault you guys have a shitty owner. God, shut up already.
We had one. A worse owner than Glass, no less.

Gussie Busch was a REMARKABLY terrible owner. Let's not even get into the battles he had with his own damn family that screwed up the organization or the time he fired Harry Caray for banging...well somebody in the Busch family. He dismantled the talent on the field several times. Royals fans are still burned over trading Beltran because he didn't want to spend $100 million in free agency. Gussie Busch traded Steve friggen Carlton (during the reserve clause era, no less) over a few thousand dollars due to a petty temper tantrum.

That would be like trading George Brett at the beginning of his arb years for a lefty reliever because he didn't want to get paid the league minimum.

Carlos Beltran? Boo ****ing hoo.
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I know the Cardinals have a long history and many fans no denying that, but they have plenty of bandwagon fans just as well. Trust me there is a plenty of them. Especially when World Series time pops up. Royals saw that bump last season for same reasons you are in the ****ing World Series. Its just more dramatic rise from where they were.
Everyone has bandwagon fans. But the Royals fanbase is 3/4 bandwagon fans and they're bandwagon fans with a staggering inferiority complex so they just talk trash incessantly and expect that folks that have been living or dying with their teams for 30 years are going to give a wet shit about their opinion.
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Pirates just traded for Aramis Ramirez. Not what he once was but hes got 11 HR's and 42 RBI's this season so far.
That dude always seem to hit us better than he should.
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Regarding Hootie's stupid point about Cardinal attendance during lean years:

They've done it. That was the point of the attendance figures that you didn't get. The Cardinals were terrible in the '70s. Their cumulative record was under .500 from 1988-99, yet they were always drawing 25-30K+.

Kansas City is a bandwagon sports town. It always has been. The "Sporting" bullshit is just another example, as is the desolation of Arrowhead during the Pioli era and the sudden emergence of all these Royals die hards who have to hand wash cool all of their regalia.
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Regarding Hootie's stupid point about Cardinal attendance during lean years:

They've done it. That was the point of the attendance figures that you didn't get. The Cardinals were terrible in the '70s. Their cumulative record was under .500 from 1988-99, yet they were always drawing 25-30K+.

Kansas City is a bandwagon sports town. It always has been. The "Sporting" bullshit is just another example, as is the desolation of Arrowhead during the Pioli era and the sudden emergence of all these Royals die hards who have to hand wash cool all of their regalia.
Because those St. Louis Rams games aren't a ghost town...
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Because those St. Louis Rams games aren't a ghost town...
Nobody in St. Louis gives a shit about the Rams and they'll tell you that.
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Definitely no Cardinal fans that post in here regularly.
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