"Alex Smith makes your defense better"

[temper11]

Article from Arrowhead Pride. Talks of the apparent positive effects of Smith's game on the defense.

This won't change any minds... Smith-baters have been saying this for a while now, but at least someone put it on paper and put some numbers to it for discussion.

Have at it everyone...

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/6...defense-better

[Mav]

I've never seen sorter fired up.

[ThaVirus]

Then you've clearly never seen him interact with BlackBob

[Packfan12]

You guys remember the 2003 Packers vs Chiefs game? Ouch that hurt us alot.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Almost no case to make = Changing the subject

Please support the case the OL being not very bad or it being bad is somehow Alex Smith's fault.

Smith doesn't stretch the field. That allows the defense to load up short.
SMith doesn't take chances. That means passing up on quick throws because he doesn't want to take a chance
Smith's pocket awareness is so-so. He will often scramble out instead of sliding in the pocket
Smith too often misses the hot read

Sure, Smith's speed gives him more wiggle room to dance out of trouble. But there are definitely ways he can make his OL better. Again, the biggest improvement at the end of 2013 in the OL wasn't talent. It was Smith being the most aggressive we've seen him for much of his career.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Packfan12

You guys remember the 2003 Packers vs Chiefs game? Ouch that hurt us alot.

Which hurt more, the barn burner in 2003 or us ending your undefeated streak in 2011?

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Smith doesn't stretch the field. That allows the defense to load up short.
SMith doesn't take chances. That means passing up on quick throws because he doesn't want to take a chance
Smith's pocket awareness is so-so. He will often scramble out instead of sliding in the pocket
Smith too often misses the hot read

Sure, Smith's speed gives him more wiggle room to dance out of trouble. But there are definitely ways he can make his OL better. Again, the biggest improvement at the end of 2013 in the OL wasn't talent. It was Smith being the most aggressive we've seen him for much of his career.

The defense slipping up vs harder teams changed how play-calling went.

The sacks racking up is by and large on the O-Line. They sucked in preseason it was obvious. The offense had to be compressed or it was likely to implode and get Smith killed in the process.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Which hurt more, the barn burner in 2003 or us ending your undefeated streak in 2011?

The 2011 hurt more.

Further buried the Chiefs franchise to the excitement of the fanbase.

[New World Order]

I honestly think we can beat GB at GB. We match up well with them

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by New World Order

I honestly think we can beat GB at GB. We match up well with them

11 days to prepare, hopefully coming off a big divisional win at Arrowhead against the cheating Broncos and a 2-0 start. They've got a trash defense.

I'm expecting ol' Jaymaal to run roughshod all over them. I'm also expecting to be fisted by Rodgers, although he loves to hold onto the ball so Houston should be able to ring his bell a few times.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

11 days to prepare, hopefully coming off a big divisional win at Arrowhead against the cheating Broncos and a 2-0 start. They've got a trash defense.

I'm expecting ol' Jaymaal to run roughshod all over them. I'm also expecting to be fisted by Rodgers, although he loves to hold onto the ball so Houston should be able to ring his bell a few times.

We really need to win that season opener. I definitely do not want to be 0-1 with games against Denver, GB and Cincy ahead.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Then why was the the second highest rated passer against the blitz?

Last year?

[MahiMike]

Offseason!

[Mav]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Then you've clearly never seen him interact with BlackBob

Apparently I've missed it

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

The defense slipping up vs harder teams changed how play-calling went.

The sacks racking up is by and large on the O-Line. They sucked in preseason it was obvious. The offense had to be compressed or it was likely to implode and get Smith killed in the process.

Jfc. The playcalling didn't change. Alex Smith did. At the end of 2013, he was opening up the passing game, wasn't afraid to throw into tight spots. The rest of his chiefs career he was the king of check downs.

And your damn excuses for the ol... Yes, they sucked, but it doesn't explain how Alex Smith imploded at the end of 2014. It was the same ol that protected him during the middle of the season. Most notably, smith went from effective on third downs to downright terrible. I've never seen a bigger apologist for a player than you with Alex Smith.

[Sorter]

For the love of R'hllor, please stop posting shit that is either made up or untrue. It is extremely irritating that I have to go through point by point but c'est la vie.

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Earth to suckup!

I posted info and the guy you defend responds with nothing + an insult.

He is trying to claim the O-Line wasn't bottom 5. THAT speaks volumes about football acumen.

It's part of the reerunation that has infested this place that everything somehow has to be about Alex Smith isn't a top 10 QB.

I didn't claim that the Chiefs' OL was "bottom 5" because guess what dumbass, I don't have an arbitrary grading system made up by people who don't have any idea how protections, progressions, hots, and sight adjusts work. Those are all things that a QB could be responsible for in correctly utilizing during/before a play and the failure to do so could result in unfairly blamed OL play.

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

So if someone posts something utterly without value or flat out stupid pat them on the head and say you gave it try, you'll do a good one next time?

You are either a liar or an idiot if you don't admit the O-Line pass blocking really sucked.

Don't do the BS context about 'but Alex Smith X Y Z' It's been hashed out before and those counter-points do not hold up.

I have never said that the OL was not bad at their job (generally speaking) last season. I have said that your .img was not a valid way of measuring their ineffective play because it doesn't take into account variables/factors that can affect their performance. It's ****ing disingenuous and incredibly ignorant to simply apply blame without knowledge, which is exactly what you do in an attempt to prop up your false god Alex Smith.

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Numbers have value. His words are hollow.
You don't like the link or context. Because mostly of a preconceived bias.

You still couldn't provide an answer as to who's conducting the "grading" and how he/she arrives at his/her conclusion. I don't like to rip on Direckshun but for ****'s sake, your beloved Pro Football Focus offered him a job conducting your "grading". A guy that literally didn't understand what the **** a "power" run was and thought that the guard ****ed up by pulling. Tell me, when you have people like that "grading" plays, do you think it might not be truly accurate?

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Almost no case to make = Changing the subject

Please support the case the OL being not very bad or it being bad is somehow Alex Smith's fault.

There are numerous ways that an offensive line ****up could be attributed to the QB. These vary by team (as some teams give certain responsibilities to the Center/QB/other OL players).

For example, (and once again, this is an example) let's use 74/75 protection for the Patriots. It's a 5-man protection out of empty (which the Chiefs do use).



Notice here how it states "The QB may make a RITA/LINDA call to adjust the protection for the Mike/Sam/SSF or Will. It also states that there is a sight adjust (weak) and hot (strong) built in. If the QB fails to make the correct adjustment and the protection is inadequately blocked, your infallible PFF would blame the OL and absolve all of the blame that he should receive.





Notice how there are other calls, such as "Tally". In some systems, the QB is responsible for making that call. In others, he isn't. See how this could be an issue in attempting to assert where blame should lie?




Finally, we get to the sight adjusts and hots. Now, it's the responsibility of the WRs to understand what they're seeing pre-snap to know if they are going to alter their called route and run either the SA/Hot. Those guys can and do **** up. Which in turn could result in the QB holding the ball and getting sacked, making the wrong progression, or simply throwing the ball to a space that isn't occupied by the receiver. Guess what you ****ing ignoramus, PFF doesn't take any of that into account. I wonder who'll likely be blamed for that ****up?

In some systems however, the QB is also responsible for making sure that no matter what, those ****ing idiots know that they are indeed going to be running their SA/Hot. Hint, sometimes you'll hear a QB during an actual ****ing game yell "Alert". Crazy, I know.

Your PFF has no idea what the built in hots/SAs are, what the protection rules/adjustments/responsibilities are, and simply assigns blame because "Hey, that guy didn't block that guy". The fact you parrot their "grades" like they mean a ****ing thing is hilarious.