Ted Ginn on the block

[The Bad Guy]

I think he would fit extremely nicely as a slot receiver/KR/PR. I imagine the Tuna would require a 4th or maybe even 2 of our 5ths. Would you pull the trigger?

[Hootie]

well every time Brandon Carr got abused last year Hamas just blamed it on Mike Brown and then told us we were all too casual of fans to understand...

Hamas/OTWP/Dane just know everything...that's why Hamas shed so many tears about our 6th round pick trade for Alleman/Ndukwe...and trading a 2010 7th for a 2009 7th and taking Jake O'Connell...

We could have drafted the next Tom Brady and Marques Colston with those picks for god's sake!

[Titty Meat]

Yea Brandon Carr was great aginst Brandon Lloyd and Jabar Gaffney. He didn't even belong on the same field as Vincent Jackson.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Bowser

OK, now you're just hurting yourself trying to defend your point. Brandon Carr has been a very good corner for us, especially paired with Flowers.

Well I guess you see one thing, and I see another...

If anything, Flowers has been solid (but not spectacular - even though some fans will lead you to believe he's all-pro)...and I think Flowers can be a pro bowler...he has that talent...but Carr has been marginal, at best...and someone that needs to be upgraded, no doubt in my mind.

He gave up 20 freaking catches to Jabar Gaffney.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by billay

Yea Brandon Carr was great aginst Brandon Lloyd and Jabar Gaffney. He didn't even belong on the same field as Vincent Jackson.

You're wrong.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_posit...=25&numgames=1

[OnTheWarpath15]

Damn, the Eagles have done a decent job with recent 5th rounders.

Macho Harris, Brent Celek, Omar Gaither and Trent Cole in the past 5 years.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

You're wrong.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_posit...=25&numgames=1

Please the games are played on the field not paper. That shitty website had Willie Colon rated the third best tackle in the game. We all know that isn't true.

[Bowser]

I'm not saying he's All-World or anything, but I'll keep him. Nobody remembers the good plays corners make, just the bad ones. I'm betting even Revis got beat on a play of four last year.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Damn, the Eagles have done a decent job with recent 5th rounders.

Macho Harris, Brent Celek, Omar Gaither and Trent Cole in the past 5 years.

well we need to hire whoever the **** is flipping their quarters over there!

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why Hootie? Was he NOT a 7th round pick? If the Chiefs hadn't selected him, what were the odds that he'd sign with KC as an UDFA?

Furthermore, I've provided more examples in Cassel and Colston. Whether you believe it to be true or not is not important but the fact remains that 7th round picks DO have value.

Well, here is my take, I'd like to base it on history, most of the time late round picks either don't work out or are expected to be projects.

Don't get me wrong though, there were some 6th, 7th round picks that have proven to be gems..i.e., Tom Brady, Marques Colston, Donald Driver, etc. But the success rate of landing a good player that late in the draft is small.

Late round picks can have value. But what type of value? Since the success rate is very small to land a starter that late in the draft, it is not exactly the rounds teams depend on to find an instant starter. Potential starter for the future though? Possibly. Id like to call those guys projects. I suppose a late rounder could serve as good value to either provide your team with good depth or to bring a guy in slowly along the way. Thus, developing a project. Which is what a lot of teams do. If that project works out for the best of the team, one can say that draft pick had value. It all depends. How one views value imo.

[Titty Meat]

And Carr was 12th in most td's given up. Get out of here with that bullshit website.

[chiefs1111]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Tell that to Matt Cassel, Marques Colston and Ryan Succop, just off the top of my head.

There were a few linebackers in the last couple drafts the Chiefs could of had in the 7th round. Wesley Woodard who signed with the Broncos as a rookie free agent. Also just from last season,Daniel Ellerbe who signed with the Ravens. Brandon Siler is another one as well. All three there in the 7th round and have been solid additions to their teams,so you could add them to the list as well.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I'm not saying he's All-World or anything, but I'll keep him. Nobody remembers the good plays corners make, just the bad ones. I'm betting even Revis got beat on a play of four last year.

Our defense has been notoriously bad on 3rd and longs for the last decade...it got no better last year.

We have had a better chance on 3rd and 2 against the opposition than 3rd and 12 for years...and nothing changed last year.

Our best defense on 3rd downs is the opposition out-thinking themselves...everytime they just dropped back and passed on 3rd and long they'd find a seem...every single time.

Carr is decent at keeping his guy in front of him and only picking up the 1st by a few yards though...I'll give him that.

I'm not trying to bash the guy...he's an ok player that could never play another snap for us and be easily replaced.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I'm not saying he's All-World or anything, but I'll keep him. Nobody remembers the good plays corners make, just the bad ones. I'm betting even Revis got beat on a play of four last year.

Biggest problem with fans evaluating DB's is that most don't understand the coverage on a particular play.

People like Hootie say that Carr "gave up" all those catches to Gaffney, when all Gaffney was doing was finding a soft spot in the zone and taking what Pendergast was giving him.

Considering how big of a ****tard our DC was, and considering the lack of pass rush by our front 7, I think Flowers and Carr did a fine job last year.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by billay

MicJones is saying Ubran was behind Morey on the dept chart dumbass. Fitzgerald, Boldin, Breaston, Doucet. Hey Mic are these medicore players sucking you off or something? Whats with all the man love?

Mark the tape gentleman. He has successfully owned himself.
Morey hasn't recorded a catch since 2007.

The depth chart on NFL.com clearly has Urban ahead of Doucet.
Another site that suggests he was a #4 WR in AZ.


Yes...he can be a #4 WR on a team where the top 3 Wideouts had 2700 combined yards during the 2009 regular season, but he can't be a #4 here. Got it.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Biggest problem with fans evaluating DB's is that most don't understand the coverage on a particular play.

People like Hootie say that Carr "gave up" all those catches to Gaffney, when all Gaffney was doing was finding a soft spot in the zone and taking what Pendergast was giving him.

Considering how big of a ****tard our DC was, and considering the lack of pass rush by our front 7, I think Flowers and Carr did a fine job last year.

Sorry but Carr looked overmatched at times. Once this team is somewhat competitve he'll stand out like Brittany Spears not wearing panties at the VMA's.