Chiefs Woman behind the Redskins name change says the Chiefs should be on guard - Page 17

**BigRedChief** · 06-25-2014, 11:01 PM

The fight took a monumental shift at a protest nine years at Arrowhead Stadium and it’s about to come full circle. No matter what you think of the issue, it will soon be ubiquitous in and around Kansas City’s greatest obsession other than barbecue.

The Chiefs are aware of it, and are preparing accordingly.

Back in 2005, a group calling itself Not In Our Honor protested before the Chiefs played Washington. The protesters were predominately American Indians, united in their anger over what they perceived as offensive stereotypes passed off as nicknames for sports teams. An older woman, Suzan Harjo, one of the leaders of the protest, met a younger woman named Amanda Blackhorse, then a student at Kansas.
They bonded over their passion for the issue, and that’s how the case known as Blackhorse et al v. Pro-Football Inc. came to be. Last week the plaintiffs prevailed when the United States Patent and Trademark Office canceled the trademarks of the Washington Redskins.

The case is under appeal, but you should know that the woman who took on and (at least for the moment) defeated the corporate entity that owns Washington’s NFL team would like to see the same type of case brought against the Chiefs.
As she says, the spark that started back in 2005 at Arrowhead has created a fire that will probably soon return.

“What happens there, it’s just insane the things they allow to go on,” Blackhorse says of the Chiefs and Arrowhead. “They are definitely in the group (of offensive teams), for sure.”

For now, the Chiefs are publicly silent on this. But they know the fight is likely coming, and they hope a few things work in their favor — most notably that it’s tough to compare their nickname with the one in Washington that is a dictionary-defined racial slur. Blackhorse’s group has also protested baseball’s Cleveland Indians, and that team has greatly scaled back its use of the cartoonish Chief Wahoo logo.

The Chiefs have similarly scaled back some of their more obvious plays on Indian stereotypes, and they hope they have some other advantages when the fight comes. The team is named after H. Roe Bartle, the mayor who was key in Kansas City landing the team from Dallas in 1962. Bartle’s nickname was “The Chief.”

The team stopped using a man dressed in traditional headgear as a mascot during pregame festivities many years ago. In the early 1990s, many of the Chiefs’ defensive players posed for a poster that today both looks absolutely ridiculous and would never be recreated.
The team does, however, play the tomahawk chop during games and welcomes fans in headgear and other stereotypes of Native American dress.

Those are some of the parts of the game day experience that Blackhorse calls “insane,” and why she expects a fight that’s gaining momentum and support nationally to come to Kansas City.

She knows that the vast majority of Chiefs fans will oppose her, but she also knows that the vast majority of fans in Washington opposed her, as well.

She says there is “no middle ground with this issue,” that once an ethnic group is used as a nickname for a sports team, the people in that ethic group lose control of their identity and humanity.

“I don’t want people to think I’m going around pointing fingers, like, ‘You’re a racist, you’re a racist, you’re a racist,’ ” she says. “That’s not the point. The point is we’re offended. You can love Native Americans to death. You can have admiration, love what we do, how we are, whatever, and still (hijack) our culture without understanding it that way.”

Wherever you stand on this issue, there is no denying that Blackhorse’s side is making progress. Teams are sensitive to and aware of perpetuating stereotypes so much more than in the past, in response to public sentiment.

The issue is further complicated by context, that this is a fight centered around Indians, who make up about 1 percent of the nation’s population and who, in Blackhorse’s words, “are invisible sometimes to people.”
That makes getting the message out a bit more difficult. A group of people that feels offended by widespread stereotyping isn’t big enough to get critical mass on its own.

That’s why Blackhorse says the movement needs the help of non-Indians, and part of why she’s so encouraged by developments in Congress and with the trademark case.

There is a lot of momentum here, which can be dangerous for teams like the Chiefs that will likely soon find themselves directly in the fight.
“I’m not sure there’s anything the (Chiefs) can do at this point other than look for another name,” Blackhorse says. “They could be the team that says, ‘You know what? We understand the issue and we don’t want to be Dan Snyder and fight this in court forever. We want to do the right thing and move forward and avoid this entire battle.’ I’m sure fans will be upset, but still, that’s doing the right thing.

“If they want to be sensitive to Native American people, that’s the thing to do.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy

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Beef Supreme · 06-26-2014, 02:08 PM

So what if it is offensive? Being offensive isn't against the law. The owner of the team can name his team whatever he wants. If it is so offensive that nobody supports that team, then that is his problem. Still not illegal. So why do they get to file lawsuits?

**ptlyon** · 06-26-2014, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I wonder if the indians beat their wives too? I am sure most of you guys do that as well?

Only when we lose

**Donger** · 06-26-2014, 02:09 PM

Reerun_KC · 06-26-2014, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon

Only when we lose

philfree · 06-26-2014, 02:11 PM

Is it 4:20 yet? I need to be Chiefed up.

duncan_idaho · 06-26-2014, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

No, you can't. But giving in to this sort of idiocy just makes things worse.

Women = offensive, because patriarchal
Homosexual = offensive, because... well... no reason really, but it's offensive
reeruned (a word initially used to avoid offending people) = offensive, because.... no reason really, part 2
Redskins = suddenly offensive, because a handful of activists have decided to get up in arms about it

And so on. This shit gets more pervasive every day, because too many people are idiots who go along gladly supporting this sort of stupidity, or are cowards who are afraid to tell the complainers to **** off.

Redskins doesn't match with that list.

Here's a list that matches Redskins, according to many of the people it refers to:

Negro
Polack
Spade
Spic
Chink
Jap

**ptlyon** · 06-26-2014, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Redskins doesn't match with that list.

Here's a list that matches Redskins, according to many of the people it refers to:

Negro
Polack
Spade
Spic
Chink
Jap

You forgot Slopehead

scho63 · 06-26-2014, 02:30 PM

I'm gonna offer her alcohol, beads, and a big turkey then I'm gonna F her right in her Brownskin!

KC native · 06-26-2014, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Perfect....

I always thought people were just ****ing with you about being stupid.

You've demonstrated that you have earned you reputation for being ****ing reeruned.

Reerun_KC · 06-26-2014, 02:30 PM

you forgot

Honkey
Yankee
Mookie
Euro
Slave

KC native · 06-26-2014, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

The irony and racism in this post is amusing...

I find you offensive and think you should be banned from life.

What exactly was racist about that post?

Reerun_KC · 06-26-2014, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC native

I always thought people were just ****ing with you about being stupid.

You've demonstrated that you have earned you reputation for being ****ing reeruned.

You are an offensive SOB.... Please aids yourself... Cry baby

Reerun_KC · 06-26-2014, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC native

What exactly was racist about that post?

Your racial tone of the word reerun and the hate of native americans...

You are not a very nice person for calling people stupid...

You are acting like a bigot. Supporting one cause while doing the same towards others that dont agree with your opinion...

ToxSocks · 06-26-2014, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

you forgot

Honkey
Yankee
Mookie
Euro
Slave

Im tellin' ya.

Yankees are due a lawsuit from white people.

Same with Cowboys.

It's time for white people to play the same game.

Start a revolution!

KC native · 06-26-2014, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

You are an offensive SOB.... Please aids yourself... Cry baby

You even suck at telling someone to kill themselves.

Here let me help you.

You should kill yourself so no one has to read your stupidity anymore.

06-25-2014, 11:01 PM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $2599627 VARSITY	Woman behind the Redskins name change says the Chiefs should be on guard The fight took a monumental shift at a protest nine years at Arrowhead Stadium and it’s about to come full circle. No matter what you think of the issue, it will soon be ubiquitous in and around Kansas City’s greatest obsession other than barbecue. The Chiefs are aware of it, and are preparing accordingly. Back in 2005, a group calling itself Not In Our Honor protested before the Chiefs played Washington. The protesters were predominately American Indians, united in their anger over what they perceived as offensive stereotypes passed off as nicknames for sports teams. An older woman, Suzan Harjo, one of the leaders of the protest, met a younger woman named Amanda Blackhorse, then a student at Kansas. They bonded over their passion for the issue, and that’s how the case known as Blackhorse et al v. Pro-Football Inc. came to be. Last week the plaintiffs prevailed when the United States Patent and Trademark Office canceled the trademarks of the Washington Redskins. The case is under appeal, but you should know that the woman who took on and (at least for the moment) defeated the corporate entity that owns Washington’s NFL team would like to see the same type of case brought against the Chiefs. As she says, the spark that started back in 2005 at Arrowhead has created a fire that will probably soon return. “What happens there, it’s just insane the things they allow to go on,” Blackhorse says of the Chiefs and Arrowhead. “They are definitely in the group (of offensive teams), for sure.” For now, the Chiefs are publicly silent on this. But they know the fight is likely coming, and they hope a few things work in their favor — most notably that it’s tough to compare their nickname with the one in Washington that is a dictionary-defined racial slur. Blackhorse’s group has also protested baseball’s Cleveland Indians, and that team has greatly scaled back its use of the cartoonish Chief Wahoo logo. The Chiefs have similarly scaled back some of their more obvious plays on Indian stereotypes, and they hope they have some other advantages when the fight comes. The team is named after H. Roe Bartle, the mayor who was key in Kansas City landing the team from Dallas in 1962. Bartle’s nickname was “The Chief.” The team stopped using a man dressed in traditional headgear as a mascot during pregame festivities many years ago. In the early 1990s, many of the Chiefs’ defensive players posed for a poster that today both looks absolutely ridiculous and would never be recreated. The team does, however, play the tomahawk chop during games and welcomes fans in headgear and other stereotypes of Native American dress. Those are some of the parts of the game day experience that Blackhorse calls “insane,” and why she expects a fight that’s gaining momentum and support nationally to come to Kansas City. She knows that the vast majority of Chiefs fans will oppose her, but she also knows that the vast majority of fans in Washington opposed her, as well. She says there is “no middle ground with this issue,” that once an ethnic group is used as a nickname for a sports team, the people in that ethic group lose control of their identity and humanity. “I don’t want people to think I’m going around pointing fingers, like, ‘You’re a racist, you’re a racist, you’re a racist,’ ” she says. “That’s not the point. The point is we’re offended. You can love Native Americans to death. You can have admiration, love what we do, how we are, whatever, and still (hijack) our culture without understanding it that way.” Wherever you stand on this issue, there is no denying that Blackhorse’s side is making progress. Teams are sensitive to and aware of perpetuating stereotypes so much more than in the past, in response to public sentiment. The issue is further complicated by context, that this is a fight centered around Indians, who make up about 1 percent of the nation’s population and who, in Blackhorse’s words, “are invisible sometimes to people.” That makes getting the message out a bit more difficult. A group of people that feels offended by widespread stereotyping isn’t big enough to get critical mass on its own. That’s why Blackhorse says the movement needs the help of non-Indians, and part of why she’s so encouraged by developments in Congress and with the trademark case. There is a lot of momentum here, which can be dangerous for teams like the Chiefs that will likely soon find themselves directly in the fight. “I’m not sure there’s anything the (Chiefs) can do at this point other than look for another name,” Blackhorse says. “They could be the team that says, ‘You know what? We understand the issue and we don’t want to be Dan Snyder and fight this in court forever. We want to do the right thing and move forward and avoid this entire battle.’ I’m sure fans will be upset, but still, that’s doing the right thing. “If they want to be sensitive to Native American people, that’s the thing to do.” Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy Early 90's
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