Chiefs Berry thinking about and checking into surgery - Page 17

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! · 02-07-2019, 01:06 PM

Brett Veach said the team's medical staff will work through the needs for Eric Berry in the offseason. He mentioned that Berry was in Green Bay in the past few days. Notable because that's the base for renowned foot/ankle surgeon Bob Anderson who has tended to several #Chiefs.
— Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) February 7, 2019

TEX · 02-21-2019, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Why on Earth hasn't he got surgery yet? This is ridiculous.

It's complicated...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2019, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Are we all so sure he needs surgery? He almost caught up to Gronk.

And how does 2018 Gronk compare to 2016 Gronk?

KCUnited · 02-21-2019, 05:22 PM

Can we get him a golf cart ala Casey Martin except sitting on rims?

T-post Tom · 02-21-2019, 05:33 PM

Hate to be cynical about a favorite player, but I think Berry is done and he knows it. Wouldn't be surprised at all if this is tied to money & his contract. I found this take from an agent very informative:

"The Chiefs haven't gotten much return on their investment in three-time first team All-Pro safety Eric Berry since he signed a six-year, $78 million contract in 2017 to become the NFL's highest-paid safety. He ruptured his left Achilles tendon in the 2017 season opener. A heel injury, which may require surgery, limited Berry to two games this game this season before his return for the AFC Championship.

Berry's $16.5 million 2019 cap number is second among safeties. When he signed his deal, $10.2 million of Berry's $12.4 million 2019 base salary was guaranteed for injury. Last march, $2.95 million of the $10.2 million became fully guaranteed. The remaining $7.25 million is fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2019 league year, which is March 15.

The Chiefs could potentially pick up $9.55 million of cap space by releasing Berry with a post-June 1 designation before the March 15 guarantee date for the $7.25 million. NFL teams can release two players each league year prior to June 1 that will be treated under the cap as if they were released after June 1. With a post-June 1 designation, a team is required to carry the player's full cap number until June 2 even though he is no longer a part of the roster. The player's salary comes off the books at that time unless it is guaranteed. Kansas City would have $6.95 million of dead money, which is cap charge for a player no longer on a team's roster, for 2019. Berry would remain on Kansas City's books in 2020 with an $8 million cap charge that would relate to his $20 million signing bonus.

The heel surgery could compromise Kansas City's ability to release Berry in this manner. An inability to pass a physical by March 15 could put the Chiefs on the hook for $7.25 million depending on the actual language of Berry's injury guarantee. If that's case, only $2.3 million would 2019 cap space would be gained from the post-June 1 designation."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-heres-what-comes-next-for-chiefs-and-how-they-can-build-on-success/

TwistedChief · 02-21-2019, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

And how does 2018 Gronk compare to 2016 Gronk?

Come on, SDH. I love Eric Berry. You hate him. But I would’ve hoped you’d see that post was laced with sarcasm.

That said, it’s amazing how much the narrative around him might be different had he gotten his arm up in the fourth quarter and broken up that pass. Wow. But he really ****ing blew it. I’ll eat crow all day on that because I never expected that horrifying of an ending.

If we could cut him with a minimal cap hit, all day long. The reality is he’s still probably on our team next year, and I am more optimistic than most - given our immutable predicament - that he might be able to solidly contribute if the guy would just fix his ****ing heel. I hate that surgery is still in limbo and this nonsense is still....day-to-day.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2019, 06:04 PM

Literally any dollar we save by cutting this cat is a plus, as we are and will get nothing in return by keeping him.

Chris Meck · 02-21-2019, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Come on, SDH. I love Eric Berry. You hate him. But I would’ve hoped you’d see that post was laced with sarcasm.

That said, it’s amazing how much the narrative around him might be different had he gotten his arm up in the fourth quarter and broken up that pass. Wow. But he really ****ing blew it. I’ll eat crow all day on that because I never expected that horrifying of an ending.

If we could cut him with a minimal cap hit, all day long. The reality is he’s still probably on our team next year, and I am more optimistic than most - given our immutable predicament - that he might be able to solidly contribute if the guy would just fix his ****ing heel. I hate that surgery is still in limbo and this nonsense is still....day-to-day.

Literally the only reason the surgery is still in limbo is because if he fails that physical we have to pay him. There's no other reason to put it off. It also means that his intent is to probably NOT play again. He's gonna get paid one more year and then retire.

It's business; and on a business level, that's the smart play for him. It sucks, and we can all get mad, but we'd probably do the same thing. It's his last big money, it's going to have to set him up for the rest of his life.

TwistedChief · 02-21-2019, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Literally the only reason the surgery is still in limbo is because if he fails that physical we have to pay him. There's no other reason to put it off. It also means that his intent is to probably NOT play again. He's gonna get paid one more year and then retire.

It's business; and on a business level, that's the smart play for him. It sucks, and we can all get mad, but we'd probably do the same thing. It's his last big money, it's going to have to set him up for the rest of his life.

I would do the same thing if I were in his shoes. Blame management for giving him these guarantees and curse your own fate (see: Dan Snyder and Alex Smith).

But I’ll be honest: I just don’t think that’s Eric Berry. I really don’t think he’s gaming this situation. Fans are mad and frustrated and I get it. But the people who actually know his situation and are around him daily during the season anointed him the team’s motivational leader. Presumably they know more than we do about the situation, and they don’t think the guy is solely trying to collect another paycheck while ****ing the team.

Maybe I’m wrong but no one has done anything here but speculate out of obvious and entirely warranted frustration.

**Bugeater** · 02-21-2019, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Literally the only reason the surgery is still in limbo is because if he fails that physical we have to pay him. There's no other reason to put it off. It also means that his intent is to probably NOT play again. He's gonna get paid one more year and then retire.

It's business; and on a business level, that's the smart play for him. It sucks, and we can all get mad, but we'd probably do the same thing. It's his last big money, it's going to have to set him up for the rest of his life.

His first ****ing contract should have set him up for life. GTFO of here with that shit.

**SAUTO** · 02-21-2019, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

His first ****ing contract should have set him up for life. GTFO of here with that shit.

Seriously

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2019, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Come on, SDH. I love Eric Berry. You hate him. But I would’ve hoped you’d see that post was laced with sarcasm.

That said, it’s amazing how much the narrative around him might be different had he gotten his arm up in the fourth quarter and broken up that pass. Wow. But he really ****ing blew it. I’ll eat crow all day on that because I never expected that horrifying of an ending.

If we could cut him with a minimal cap hit, all day long. The reality is he’s still probably on our team next year, and I am more optimistic than most - given our immutable predicament - that he might be able to solidly contribute if the guy would just fix his ****ing heel. I hate that surgery is still in limbo and this nonsense is still....day-to-day.

First, I don't hate Eric Berry. I despise this whole, dumb, secretive mess that has everyone hanging by a thread. And that mess belongs to both player AND team. Plenty of blame to go around.

And as to playing, all I'm going to say is that whatever the Chiefs were doing prior to bringing him back in after the Seattle game, they should have kept doing it instead of bringing him back in for the play offs. From a purely strategic standpoint, I don't want Eric Berry back on the field. And if he left tomorrow for surgery, he would still miss all of camp and pre season. And a player that rusty needs to be at camp and playing in the pre season. At this point, I just want it to be over. We have a new head cheese on that side of the ball with some amazing assistant talent to boot. If Houston won't restructure, I'd just as soon sweep the last of the old guard out and start this thing fresh, completely redefine what it means to be a Kansas City Chiefs defender.

Chris Meck · 02-21-2019, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

I would do the same thing if I were in his shoes. Blame management for giving him these guarantees and curse your own fate (see: Dan Snyder and Alex Smith).

But I’ll be honest: I just don’t think that’s Eric Berry. I really don’t think he’s gaming this situation. Fans are mad and frustrated and I get it. But the people who actually know his situation and are around him daily during the season anointed him the team’s motivational leader. Presumably they know more than we do about the situation, and they don’t think the guy is solely trying to collect another paycheck while ****ing the team.

Maybe I’m wrong but no one has done anything here but speculate out of obvious and entirely warranted frustration.

I'm not mad. I don't think the two things have anything to do with each other.

I think he can be and is a motivational figure in the locker room, and a good person, and beloved teammate. I think he can also KNOW that he's done and he's not likely to be able to play anymore and for he and his agent to do what is in his own best business interest.

There's literally no way he's just magically going to be able to play. That bone growth isn't going to just shrink. He's going to have to have surgery or quit playing. The fact that he hasn't done so already means he's not intending to play but he IS intending to collect the last big paycheck of his lifetime.

It sucks but it's business. I have no hard feelings. It is what it is, we'd all do the same. I look forward to seeing his name on the ring of honor.

What are we gonna do about it in his absence is really the only pertinent question.

TwistedChief · 02-21-2019, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO

Seriously

Why would any player give money back that he was contractually promised? In a sport where the teams do whatever they can to not pay out borderline obligations?

TwistedChief · 02-21-2019, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I'm not mad. I don't think the two things have anything to do with each other.

I think he can be and is a motivational figure in the locker room, and a good person, and beloved teammate. I think he can also KNOW that he's done and he's not likely to be able to play anymore and for he and his agent to do what is in his own best business interest.

There's literally no way he's just magically going to be able to play. That bone growth isn't going to just shrink. He's going to have to have surgery or quit playing. The fact that he hasn't done so already means he's not intending to play but he IS intending to collect the last big paycheck of his lifetime.

It sucks but it's business. I have no hard feelings. It is what it is, we'd all do the same. I look forward to seeing his name on the ring of honor.

What are we gonna do about it in his absence is really the only pertinent question.

This is all fair. I just am not as resigned to this sad reality as you are. But you certainly might be right. And without Berry’s injury, we probably beat the Titans in the playoffs and win the SB this last season. So it’s been a hugely emotional cluster****.

Chris Meck · 02-21-2019, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

His first ****ing contract should have set him up for life. GTFO of here with that shit.

DUDE. It's his last money. The last bunch.

I'm not talking about him being comfortable. I'm saying that the guy's 30 years old and this is the last big chunk of money he'll ever get. It's regular guy money from here on out, doing whatever regular guy job he ends up doing. Might be coaching. But he'd be years away from making big money at that either.

He's made millions. No shit. But this is it. The last of it. There's no way you'd walk away from that either without getting every last cent.

Saying anything else is just being emotional, frustrated, and selfish.

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